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07-13-2012 , 06:09 PM
The same thing happened to me in PLO a week ago. The guy is litterally holding his hand over the muck in a $700 pot saying he missed his flush draw as the dealer is pushing me the pot Until this 40 year old nit says wait you back doored a straight. I keep quiet and glare at the guy for the rest of the session.
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07-13-2012 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
So one leak of mine is my lack of overbets in my range. I'm gonna try a whacky experiment where next session I play, 100% of my postflop bets are going to be greater than pot sized bets. I believe that you can appropriately balance your range even with your standard bet size being an overbet to maintain the same winrate. I don't expect to be able to do so immediately, but we'll see how it goes. Anyway, I'm pretty excited to be experimenting with something new.

I played a non-interesting but funny hand at 1/2 PLO. UTG raises to $5, I call with a lolbad hand because it's my first hand at the table (I fold it 90%, don't laugh!), guy to my left raises to $13, a bunch of other callers. It's 7 handed on the flop.

Flop A24
I get it all in with the preflop 3-bettor for about $400 total potsize.

I immediately table: A359
He immediately tables: AAKJ

Turn 3
River 9

The dealer stares at the board for awhile, and says "two pair, aces and nines wins" and pushes me the pot. That means the dealer not only missed my flopped straight and villain's backdoor flush, he also missed his flopped set of aces!!!! Wat.

What happens next is even weirder. Some guy at our 9-handed table points out that I actually have a straight, others start chiming in and agreeing. Dealer says "oh well he wins anyway" and pushes me the pot, other guy mucks his hand which has been tabled face up for easily over a minute at this point. No one else noticed he had a flush! I know the most ethical thing to do would be to give the guy his money back, but I was in a ****ty mood and I chose to keep the pot, flame away if you must
Hahaha great! I love when stuff like this happen.
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07-13-2012 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
I played a non-interesting but funny hand at 1/2 PLO. UTG raises to $5, I call with a lolbad hand because it's my first hand at the table (I fold it 90%, don't laugh!), guy to my left raises to $13, a bunch of other callers. It's 7 handed on the flop.

Flop A24
I get it all in with the preflop 3-bettor for about $400 total potsize.

I immediately table: A359
He immediately tables: AAKJ

Turn 3
River 9

The dealer stares at the board for awhile, and says "two pair, aces and nines wins" and pushes me the pot. That means the dealer not only missed my flopped straight and villain's backdoor flush, he also missed his flopped set of aces!!!! Wat.

What happens next is even weirder. Some guy at our 9-handed table points out that I actually have a straight, others start chiming in and agreeing. Dealer says "oh well he wins anyway" and pushes me the pot, other guy mucks his hand which has been tabled face up for easily over a minute at this point. No one else noticed he had a flush! I know the most ethical thing to do would be to give the guy his money back, but I was in a ****ty mood and I chose to keep the pot, flame away if you must
**** that
why would u say anything lol.. if they were staring that long they are just dumb
nh

Last edited by ExpectedV; 07-13-2012 at 10:32 PM. Reason: isn't this what makes the live experience even more +ev haha
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07-14-2012 , 01:02 AM
Pot is yours. Part of playing poker is PAYING ATTENTION. How could he have a flush if he doesnt even know what he has in his hand? Pff, play in that game every day!
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07-14-2012 , 04:01 AM
Played 5/10 mixed PLO/NL today. So the overbet experiment kind of worked? People gave me an extremely unusual amount of respect preflop and folded a lot to my squeezes so I didn't get a big sample size. I only made a total of 3 postflop bets, 1 of which was a 1/4 pot value bet on the river with midpair (he folded), the other two were flop overbets. One was when I was PFR with KK in position in a single raised low card board, I overbet and he snapped called. Ace on the turn, I checked behind on turn/river since my read on the guy was he bet a lot of his air I was afraid he was trapping me, and not much worse can call on that board. Another was a limped 3 way pot, I checked BB with KJ, and double pot bet a T92 flop when SB checked.

I dunno, it seems like it has promise. More experimenting with overbets in the future.

Played a funny hand today where I limp in button behind several others with A4KT, very aggro small blind pots it, folds to me and I'm tanking for about 5 seconds when he says "man just hurry up and do something" and flips over 3 of his cards!! QJT... I mean I kind of feel bad for the guy as he's screwed postflop (he has like a PSB left if I call), but I clearly have to call. Flop comes T44, he ships I snap and my kicker is good. Wish that would happen more often!

Anyway, was up $630 in 5 hours.
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07-15-2012 , 05:24 PM
Played 4 handed 5/10 NL/PLO/PLO8 for about 3 hours. Started the game with two friends (myself with the NL edge, one friend with a PLO edge, and one friend with an O8 edge), was hoping more than 1 person would join we all ended up positive after the other guy busted though, lol. He was a solid player (I suspect a pro) but lost a big flip with QQ vs AK BvB for most of his stack.

Overbet strategy is mostly working! Made a river 1.5x overbet with Queen high after flop/turn both went check/check, villain checks to me on river and she folds Ace high and swore that she would have called a normal sized bet. Two more hands:

I made a thread for hand 1 here.

Hand 2: Actually the last hand of the session, it's the second hand of heads up at this point. I make it $25 with QQ. Villain calls.

Flop J95, pot $50
Villain checks, I bet $40, villain check/raises to $120, I try to make a bluffy looking shove for $900 on top hoping to get looked up by a J or even a 9. Villain tank folds 54. Villain said he said he would have 4 bet shoved over a normal 3 bet, so I'm pretty sure I made money compared to if I made it like $320. Time to check Pokerstove... yep, he had 49.8% equity. Villain really shouldn't be folding that hand here unless he knows 100% I have a set or 2 pair.

Was up $224 in 3 hours.
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07-17-2012 , 01:43 AM
Up $660 today in PLO, pretty much from 1 hand. I made a grand total of zero bluffs the entire session, did not win a single pot, not even a $10 one, for over 3 hours, yet this guy calls my pot bet on the flop and raises me all in on the turn. I tank called with AK47r (checked BB preflop. Best PLO hand ever though!) on an AK44 board, rainbow flop. I'm pretty sure he had K4 although he didn't show.
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07-18-2012 , 11:17 AM
Down $500 in 1 hour. Only played 1 hand which tilted me (why didn't I fold!!)

Hero opens KJcc to $35 over a fishy limper, solid winning reg calls in BB, limper calls.

Flop AK9r, pot $110
checked around.

Turn 8 offsuit, pot $110
reg checks, fish bets $25, I call $25, reg raises to $125. I personally would think it's a good bluff spot since neither of us rep much strength here, fish folds, I call.

River 7, pot $385
Reg shoves for $340, I'm a bit worried JT got there, but I called. He shows AQo.

I thought he'd be pretty polarized here, I didn't expect him to value bet top pair so hard for 100bbs in a single raised pot. Owned
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07-18-2012 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
Down $500 in 1 hour. Only played 1 hand which tilted me (why didn't I fold!!)

Hero opens KJcc to $35 over a fishy limper, solid winning reg calls in BB, limper calls.

Flop AK9r, pot $110
checked around.

Turn 8 offsuit, pot $110
reg checks, fish bets $25, I call $25, reg raises to $125. I personally would think it's a good bluff spot since neither of us rep much strength here, fish folds, I call.

River 7, pot $385
Reg shoves for $340, I'm a bit worried JT got there, but I called. He shows AQo.

I thought he'd be pretty polarized here, I didn't expect him to value bet top pair so hard for 100bbs in a single raised pot. Owned
Don't worry everybody gets 420pownd every now and then

except me
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07-18-2012 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
Down $500 in 1 hour. Only played 1 hand which tilted me (why didn't I fold!!)

Hero opens KJcc to $35 over a fishy limper, solid winning reg calls in BB, limper calls.

Flop AK9r, pot $110
checked around.

Turn 8 offsuit, pot $110
reg checks, fish bets $25, I call $25, reg raises to $125. I personally would think it's a good bluff spot since neither of us rep much strength here, fish folds, I call.

River 7, pot $385
Reg shoves for $340, I'm a bit worried JT got there, but I called. He shows AQo.

I thought he'd be pretty polarized here, I didn't expect him to value bet top pair so hard for 100bbs in a single raised pot. Owned
I don't understand why you'd check the flop and call the c/r on the turn, especially from the reg. You're right it is a good bluff spot but I don't think it merits a call when you think you're behind anyway (as the check on the flop is not for deception its because your hand is weak). That's easy for me to say seeing how the hand panned out but since it was a live game you probably had reads or history to reason the call. Good luck with the challenge!
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07-19-2012 , 01:09 AM
tyty for the comments. I just thought he was repping like nothing, didn't expect a sick merge there. Well played by villain.

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Good luck with the challenge!
Hmm, what is the challenge? I need a new one... let's see, I've been practicing working in overbets since they were literally non-existent in my game, another thing that currently is non-existent is a limp-reraising range. Of course it's livepokerzlol so exploitable isn't a huge issue, but my limping range from early position is literally 22, 33, 44, ... 88, sometimes 99. Let's mix that up!

Next session I am going to limp *four* hands with the plan to limp-reraise and I will post them all.

In my entire poker history, I can only remember a single time I have ever limp-reraised: 4 handed game with one PLO pro who was ok at NLH and two huge online winners (I really shouldn't have been playing that game). I limped from UTG/CO, button raises and calls my l/rr, I cbet a K44 flop and he snap folds. I had 87s. It was the only limp that ever occurred at that entire table for 2 hours.
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07-19-2012 , 01:20 AM
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I mistakenly thought it would be unlikely for him to have hearts, but if he's repping AA then there's a 2/3 chance he has the A, then a very roughly 58% chance he has another heart (1-(3/4)^3). That leaves me with 6 outs instead of 9... Even with 9 it's still a fold. Sigh, normally I don't make these trivial math errors. Also, does anyone fold preflop in Hand3?
You have a 13 out wrap, though.

Accounting for heart versions of your cards, that's still 9, plus occasionally your 4/pairing card will be good, and it's not like he always has hearts etc.
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07-19-2012 , 02:13 PM
wow I mega suck at math, thanks for catching that TianYuan!

I feel better about my play now. Also that was against the same guy who called with A high in NLH so I thought he was mega loose, but I've played with him more now and he doesn't bet without a set minimum. But he can check/call pot-sized bets with a gutshot
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07-20-2012 , 02:30 AM
I didn't get a chance to try the limp-reraise today. Played PLO8 instead for lols, lost $180 in about an hour. Misplayed a hand really badly where I shoved river with 2 pair + A2 nut low in a 3 way pot, should have known the 2 pair is useless and no one is folding A2 here.
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07-21-2012 , 10:26 PM
Hi Aesah!

Love your post and really hoping you succed

I also had a good job for government, almost the same as you, except i'm 32 and married.

I think i have nice technical poker abilities but a HUGE ENORMOUS tilt leak.

I was wondering how are you doing in financials terms, since you are not posting accumulated results anymore. I'm closely following you steps, since i think your experience would help me a lot.

How do you deal with the fact that you don't have a granted salary anymore and possibly can have no income for months? Can you return to your old job or similar anytime you want?

In my town there's a live cash, but players can buy short, so everybody buying in for 40bb to stay with 20bb or less and wait for Aces most of the time. There was fish, but i didn't seen them anymore.

Well man, hope you win a lot and be my inspiration. I saw you already doing great.
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07-22-2012 , 04:11 PM
I won $400 in my last session at PLO8. Screwing around but other people don't even know the rules.

@ekigaina: thank you very much for the kind words!

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Originally Posted by ekigaina
I was wondering how are you doing in financials terms, since you are not posting accumulated results anymore. I'm closely following you steps, since i think your experience would help me a lot.

How do you deal with the fact that you don't have a granted salary anymore and possibly can have no income for months? Can you return to your old job or similar anytime you want?
Something very embarrassing to admit, and pretty immature of myself. I avoided calculating my total numbers because it was a painful losing money in Pittsburgh, then losing money back in Cleveland, then losing money in Vegas, but here goes.

Pre-Pittsburgh: +$14487 in 231 hours
Pittsburgh: -$2312 in 30 hours
Cleveland: -$1077 in 12 hours
Vegas: bad bookkeeping but I'm going to say roughly -$6000 in 40 hours.
Back to Cleveland, current location: +$2140 in 26 hours.
Total: +$7218 in 339 hours. Meh, winrate looks lame. I felt like I lost a bunch of flips at $5/10 in Vegas, also the $15k pot at my only 10/25 shot with my set vs overpair vs flush draw would have singlehandedly tripled my winrate. Ohhhh well. It honestly didn't affect my lifestyle at all so I guess I should be grateful for that, and definitely people have run far far worse.

Re: money. It doesn't bother me that much since I'm fairly certain I can sustain myself off poker, but FWIW I am working part time (only a few hours per week) for my former employer.

Sorry to hear there's no good poker in your town going to play another session today, hopefully gonna get in some limp/re-raises in NLH.
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07-22-2012 , 06:29 PM
Don't get too down on yourself. Your doing well even after that massive downswing.

$22/hr isn't anything to be ashamed of.. tons of players in PG&C wishing they had that win rate.
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07-23-2012 , 02:40 AM
+$794 in 3-ish hours. Finally run good at flips, 3bet and stacked off with 5678ss AIPF. The original raiser folded his aces, so it was 3 way vs another guy with aces and a 3rd guy with... 8872. Nice. Board ran out 69Txx so I chopped with guy 3, but I won the $1000+ sidepot. I was not expecting a cold 4 bet, original raiser was short and I was willing to flip with him at an equity disadvantage because there was a ton of dead money (8872 guy flatted his $80 raise). Also, wtf, who folds AAxx preflop after they put a 3rd of their stack in already (even though it was probably the right play).

Still no NLH for a bit... playing first available table and it always happens to be PLO.
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07-23-2012 , 02:50 AM
Thanks for the comments as always tmckendry.
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07-23-2012 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
Don't get too down on yourself. Your doing well even after that massive downswing.

$22/hr isn't anything to be ashamed of.. tons of players in PG&C wishing they had that win rate.
Also while I was complaining about running worse at 5/10 and 10/25 than I was at 1/2 and 1/3 and therefore was down lots of money when compared to my bb/100, it probably was better for me this way: It sucks to have like ~$10k less than I think I should, but it would have sucked way more if I ran bad at 1/2 and 1/3 when I started and then quit poker for life.

I really shouldn't be complaining at all as I'm a very lucky person to even be in a situation where I can say the above statement.
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07-24-2012 , 01:21 AM
Played NLH today for an hour-ish, won $250. Hands:

Raise A2hh to $15 from CO, two huge fish call in the blinds.

Flop A73dd
Checked around.

Turn 6r
BB overbet shoves his stack for about 2x pot ($100 into $50). I call, SB folds. He says "I have a 6". Nice, wp. River bricks.

Next hand against the same guy, I raise AQo over a couple limps to $30, only that guy calls in BB.

Flop Q43cc, pot ~$70
He leads out for $70 with about $100 behind. I figured he's never folding here... so I just shove. He folded

Then, played PLO and was mega card dead. Did not win a single pot in 5 hours, not even a 4bb limped pot. Had a guy potting like 50% of his hands preflop as usual, so my "limps" costed me $30. Missed flop every time except I bet/folded 2pair a couple times, lost $450...

Overall down $200 in 6 hours.
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07-24-2012 , 01:26 AM
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Also while I was complaining about running worse at 5/10 and 10/25 than I was at 1/2 and 1/3 and therefore was down lots of money when compared to my bb/100, it probably was better for me this way: It sucks to have like ~$10k less than I think I should, but it would have sucked way more if I ran bad at 1/2 and 1/3 when I started and then quit poker for life.

I really shouldn't be complaining at all as I'm a very lucky person to even be in a situation where I can say the above statement.
Yeah, thats the spirit. I'm that way too. I luckboxed $200 to $9000 at $1/2 first few hundred hours. If it wasnt for that, wouldn't be doing what im doing !
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07-25-2012 , 08:38 AM
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Yeah, thats the spirit. I'm that way too. I luckboxed $200 to $9000 at $1/2 first few hundred hours. If it wasnt for that, wouldn't be doing what im doing !
Aesah, i think you are doing good, in fact you doing great!
That's the problem of poker, you lose 1 big pot you have great equity and everithing seems worse, but it isn't (on the long run).
I guess you have the skill, the experience will come over time.


Keep walking...
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07-25-2012 , 09:53 AM
Aesah,

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Yesterday I went to poker here, since you are a live pro now, if you have the time I appreciate you sweet that hand with me (others also are greatly appreciated).

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My Big Hand yesterday.

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2/5, seven handed.

Table generally with a lot of limp and kind of passive.

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Villain profile: Lost 1000 in less than 30 minutes. See him lose with A9 to AT when both made trips. He also lost to me in a 3 spades flop, fourth spade turn with a Q high flush he’s betting turn and river IP and didn’t pay may river raise (I had an A flush). There was one other guy all-in flop (who btw had a K flush on the flop, and was short).

After that villain entered an incredible winning streak. Won some 8 good pots almost in sequence always showing very good hands when it went to showdown. One hand against me, I had KK in CO, raise 15, he calls in SB, BB calls. Pot $45, flop A77 rainbow, he leads for 55. I think WTF (wondering he has an 7 or a pocket pair). I call the flop, turn J, no flush, he bets 60. I fold.

I know this villain from other times and he really bluffs hard, even with complete air. But this time he was winning every single pot and showing good hands. Didn’t show a bluff. Another hand was villain limps UTG, 2 callers, I made 10 from the button (I was doing this every time I entered a pot in the button), SB calls, BB (nit) fold, he makes it 60, next one calls all-in (45) and I call. Flop 3 low connected and suited cards, he bets like 60 and I fold. He shows AA.

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Well here comes the hand:

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Seven handed, Villain UTG, I’m in the BTN (with 55).

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Villain calls, someone min raises to 10, 1 caller, I make it 20 on the button, SB calls, villain calls, 2 other calls.

5-way flop: K82ccd (Pot $100)

Checked around.

Turn: 5h (Pot $100)

Villain bets $75, 2 folds.

I think about calling, thinking that he could be bluffing or had a FD (or even a King). I look at the SB (TAG) on my left and he seems like calling either while I think, and I realized a FD is a real possibility, so I decide to make it $275, with some $475 behind.

SB folds, villain snap calls.

River: Kh, making me a full-house (Pot $650)

At this time I was pretty sure I had the best hand, but villain leads for $300. This made me confused. I thought and realized he could be bluffing with a busted FD (remembering his historic of bluffs). He could have a better FH also (I thought about K crap, like K8 or K2), and this case GG. I end up calling.

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What do you think about my play? Have you done anything different?
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07-25-2012 , 11:18 AM
U think live poker 2/2 is profitable if u pay 10% rake with 10 cap with in mind u have a big edge? I almost want to play some live as well when i see this thread, but because of this i am not sure. If this is seen as hijacking, feel free to delete my post. Great thread man
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