Hello all. My name is Andrew and I just have 1 goal. Beat nl20.

Been playing nl10 ever since I started playing back in 2008, and still play it today.

PRE BLACK FRIDAY:
Boot up 8+ tables, grind like a robot.



POST BLACK FRIDAY:
Took a long break from poker after black Friday. One positive thing I got out of it was cutting down on tables, and really trying to focus on my play instead of the usual 8+ table grind.





You must be laughing. 'Why does this guy w/ over 4k posts still play nl10?' (I hate when people think like that...)

(PRE BLACK FRIDAY)
THIS IS WHY... (Please don't laugh...)



130K+ hands at nl25 and I'm breakeven. I am a fish when it comes to stakes higher than nl10. I've taken at least 5 shots at nl25, and have failed. For some ******ed reason, I always think I must change my play when I move up. But really, we all know that leads to disaster. Tilt, spew, FPS, dick swinging, etc, is all in this graph. When I look at this graph, I am embarrassed. I have 2 eyes, 1 nose, 1 mouth, 1 brain just like everyone else, what's stopping me from beating nl20? Everyone else is doing it.

So, I created this thread to keep me motivated, and tilt free. I'll post results, and a couple of interest hands daily or whenever I play. Goal is to hit $1k. Anything less, and I have failed...again...


So far, so good. low volume, but this time quality over quantity.

gogogogo

sounds like me except its the nl20 to nl50 that ****s me

im sure the transition from nl20/25 to nl50 is much harder than nl10 to nl20/25. keep working at it, ur one of the better posters in the micro-stakes forum, im sure you'll figure it out.

Finallyyyyy you made a thread. Now, when you say low volume does that translate into 10k hands on monday Jk, GL andrew will be following.

Hi,

Played my first session and went really well. The traffic on the site I play, is very slow, I'm lucky to get at least 500 hands/day. Played about 1.5 hours, 3-4 tabling.




I'm hitting myself for not betting this turn. Villan was 60/10 fish. His hand is very well face up by the river, I ran out of time on the turn trying to think if I should bet or check. I must raise something on the river...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($19.80)
BB ($18.23)
UTG ($9.12)
Hero ($27.66)
BTN ($20)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, fold, fold, BB calls $0.60, UTG calls $0.60

FLOP ($2.50) 6 T 4

BB checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3, BB folds, UTG calls $2

TURN ($8.50) 6 T 4 K

UTG checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($8.50) 6 T 4 K 5

UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

UTG shows T 9
(Pre 20%, Flop 20.0%, Turn 11.4%)

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 80%, Flop 80.0%, Turn 88.6%)

Hero wins $9.87


Here is a spot I'm very familiar with. Cbet once and give up.. I'm trying to fix this leak, and feel so grossed out when I see villans whole cards. Villan is same as the above hand, I'm sure, I'm going to have to fire 3 to get him off the hand.


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($13.03)
Hero ($20)
UTG ($3.75)
CO ($6.01)
BTN ($18.07)

Dealt to Hero A 9

fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.40

FLOP ($1.20) 4 Q 7

SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

TURN ($2.80) 4 Q 7 3

SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($2.80) 4 Q 7 3 2

SB checks, Hero checks

Hero shows A 9
(Pre 61%, Flop 60.1%, Turn 13.6%)

SB shows 6 3
(Pre 39%, Flop 39.9%, Turn 86.4%)

SB wins $2.64

^^ He will snapcall turn barrel and tank decide on the river bet lol

Played an hour long session, mostly 2 tabling. The traffic has been very slow lately, might have to ask my backer to move me to another site.



Pretty standard stuff. This hand was against aggro fish and I've seen him do spewy/******ed plays, I think it's fine to 4b/call here.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($13.70)
BB ($69.96)
UTG ($25.60)
CO ($20)
Hero ($20)

Dealt to Hero J J

UTG calls $0.20, fold, Hero raises to $0.80, fold, BB raises to $2.70, fold, Hero raises to $6.60, BB raises to $69.96 (AI), Hero calls $13.40 (AI)

FLOP ($40.30) 6 5 2

TURN ($40.30) 6 5 2 5

RIVER ($40.30) 6 5 2 5 4

Hero shows J J
(Pre 71%, Flop 86.5%, Turn 93.2%)

BB shows T A
(Pre 29%, Flop 13.5%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero wins $37.89


This hand was right after the above hand vs. the same villan. Not the best hand to defend, but I think it's fine vs aggro fish considering we are deep. The bet scroller was totally screwed up during this session (laggy and wouldn't respond), and I had to bet something on the turn/river and I was running out of time. Lost about 50bbs of value

Thought about raising flop, and I think I should have. He's never folding TPTK/pair+FD/2 pairs/etc. At the same time, I have the nuts w/ NFD, and didn't want to fold out his air range, which he has a ton from previous hands. How would you play it?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($49.96)
BB ($25.40)
UTG ($20)
Hero ($37.89)
BTN ($13.60)
Dealt to Hero Q J

fold, Hero raises to $0.60, fold, SB raises to $2, fold, Hero calls $1.40

FLOP ($4.20) A T K

SB bets $4.20, Hero calls $4.20

TURN ($12.60) A T K 2

SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $5

RIVER ($22.60) A T K 2 3

SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14

Hero shows Q J
(Pre 67%, Flop 99.7%, Turn 100.0%)

SB shows 5 9
(Pre 33%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero wins $47.57

Agree. He might even call river too, lol.

eh, had a losing day today. 2 tabled for 2 hours, really got nothing going.





failed bluff. my image was 16/13 at this point, and villan has been opening almost 100% from co and btn. i thought id get credit, but guess not lol. his hand is so face up on the flop i couldn't resist the 3barrel. guess he had a read on me.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($25.26)
BB ($19.30)
UTG ($26.30)
CO ($17.50)
Hero ($20.60)

Dealt to Hero 7 A

fold, CO raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $1.80, fold, fold, CO calls $1.10

FLOP ($3.90) K 8 2

CO checks, Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

TURN ($7.90) K 8 2 6

CO checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

RIVER ($15.90) K 8 2 6 4

CO checks, Hero bets $12.80 (AI), CO calls $9.70 (AI)

CO shows J J
(Pre 71%, Flop 88.2%, Turn 93.2%)

Hero shows 7 A
(Pre 29%, Flop 11.8%, Turn 6.8%)

CO wins $34.30

the usual bad session where u can't flop anything, can't barrel, etc.

Jeez that's tough. Currently taking my 2nd shot at 25NL and it's going tits up ldo, I don't know if your story is more depressing or inspiring

Over the years I'm sure you've heard every piece of advice so all I can offer you is a sincere 'good luck'.

my advice is play more tables, its helping the tilt very much because of the more and better hands u get. To beat NL20 all u need is to play tight and then value value value. Try to learn peoples ranges throw pokerstove and it will help u alot also. GL

GL with this. You seem solid from your posts so don't know how you're still stuck at 10-20nl, but I assume it won't be a problem to move up this time.

Why are you playing backed, though?

thank neok.

currently jobless w/ very little money. staking is the way to go.

played a hour long session 2 tabling once again. im going to promise myself to put in more volume after Thanksgiving weekend.



villan is loose/aggro fish. he was super aggro preflop when we were 3 handed, running like 50/45ish. i was stuck on the flop, so i checked back, and was going to call a reasonable bet on most turns, and make a decision on river. after reviewing this hand, i think checking is the right play.

my options are:
check back flop: villan bluffs/thin vbets pp's on turns (because fish do weird things lol). 1 street value.
bet flop: fold out his air = zero value. if villan check/calls flop, im checking back turn/rivers which = 1 street value (same thing as if i check back flop)

so in conclusion i think checking back flop is better as we get him to bluff w/ his air range on turns which gives us 1 street of value whereas if i bet flop, im folding that air range out.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($18.78)
BB ($17.45)
UTG ($12.88)
Hero ($21.51)
BTN ($20)

Hero posts $0.20
Hero posts $0.10

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.60, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $2

FLOP ($6) 7 A 3

UTG checks, Hero checks

TURN ($6) 7 A 3 5

UTG bets $3.35, Hero calls $3.35

RIVER ($12.70) 7 A 3 5 3

UTG checks, Hero checks

UTG shows Q T
(Pre 14%, Flop 2.3%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows K K
(Pre 86%, Flop 97.7%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $12.35


same villan as above hand.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($26.71)
BB ($20)
UTG ($20.23)
CO ($18.83)
BTN ($7.66)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2.30, fold, BTN raises to $7.10, Hero calls $4.80

FLOP ($14.40) 4 7 2

Hero checks, BTN bets $0.56 (AI), Hero calls $0.56

TURN ($15.52) 4 7 2 3

RIVER ($15.52) 4 7 2 3 8

BTN shows K T
(Pre 13%, Flop 1.5%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 87%, Flop 98.5%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $14.75



villan is loose/aggro in this hand. one stat that jumped out to me was he cbets 85%, then barrels turns just 11% over 450 hands. i think this is a great spot to float (bdfd, bdsd, 2 overs for 2nd pair, etc) and steal on most turns when he checks. i check back flop because now i have sd value, and if villan checked river i was betting something like 1/4-1/3 pot for value. didn't want to win this way but what can i do lol. i should also raise river to like $4.8ish.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($22.31)
BB ($5.39)
UTG ($22.87)
CO ($19.41)
Hero ($21.95)

Dealt to Hero K J

fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.50) A 5 6

CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

TURN ($3.50) A 5 6 K

CO checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($3.50) A 5 6 K K

CO bets $1.60, Hero raises to $4.20, CO calls $2.60

CO shows 8 A
(Pre 56%, Flop 92.6%, Turn 88.6%)

Hero shows K J
(Pre 44%, Flop 7.4%, Turn 11.4%)

Hero wins $11.31



HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Sub'd

GL sir

another losing day. i can't say i played bad, just a couple beats and couldn't win in flip situations. if i was the old me, id play until i broke even and probably lose more. you just have to quit on those days where you just can win, and your doing yourself a huge favor.



Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($21.89)
Hero ($20)
UTG ($20.12)
UTG+1 ($8.97)
CO ($12.56)
BTN ($17.74)

Dealt to Hero A Q

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.70, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.50

FLOP ($1.50) 9 A 5

Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 raises to $8.27 (AI), Hero calls $4.27

TURN ($18.04) 9 A 5 6

RIVER ($18.04) 9 A 5 6 3

Hero shows A Q
(Pre 68%, Flop 53.3%, Turn 38.6%)

UTG+1 shows A 5
(Pre 32%, Flop 46.7%, Turn 61.4%)

UTG+1 wins $17.14


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($20.18)
BB ($8.65)
UTG ($18.63)
CO ($20)
Hero ($20.37)

Dealt to Hero A Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.60, fold, BB calls $0.40

FLOP ($1.30) 2 T Q

BB checks, Hero bets $1.30, BB raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $19.77 (AI), BB calls $5.45 (AI)

TURN ($17.40) 2 T Q 4

RIVER ($17.40) 2 T Q 4 6

BB shows T 6
(Pre 39%, Flop 22.9%, Turn 11.4%)

Hero shows A Q
(Pre 61%, Flop 77.1%, Turn 88.6%)

BB wins $16.36


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($20.02)
Hero ($21.77)
UTG ($23.18)
UTG+1 ($15.19)
CO ($7.76)
BTN ($11.05)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.20, CO raises to $0.90, BTN calls $0.90, fold, Hero raises to $3.90, fold, CO calls $3, fold

FLOP ($9) T 3 4

Hero bets $17.87 (AI), CO calls $3.86 (AI)

TURN ($16.72) T 3 4 8

RIVER ($16.72) T 3 4 8 6

CO shows 8 A
(Pre 31%, Flop 43.5%, Turn 29.5%)

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 69%, Flop 56.5%, Turn 70.5%)

CO wins $15.72


in this hand, i thought it was only me vs the btn, and btn was fish and i had a little over a psb left vs his him, so i jammed... SB was also in the hand... fml

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($19.88)
BB ($4)
UTG ($20.17)
Hero ($20)
BTN ($11.09)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, SB calls $0.50, fold

FLOP ($2) 6 T 6

SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, BTN calls $1.60, SB calls $1.60

TURN ($6.80) 6 T 6 9

SB checks, Hero bets $17.80 (AI), BTN calls $8.89 (AI), SB calls $17.68 (AI)

RIVER ($51.05) 6 T 6 9 9

Hero shows K K
(Pre 75%, Flop 8.7%, Turn 2.4%)

BTN shows K 6
(Pre 6%, Flop 80.7%, Turn 2.4%)

SB shows 9 9
(Pre 20%, Flop 10.5%, Turn 95.2%)

SB wins $47.99


hm, not sure about this hand. villan is 45/13 fish.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($11.31)
BB ($20.60)
UTG ($25.97)
UTG+1 ($20.20)
Hero ($26.93)
BTN ($13.60)

Dealt to Hero 9 7

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, fold, fold

FLOP ($1.50) 9 8 8

Hero bets $1, BTN raises to $2.20, Hero calls $1.20

TURN ($5.90) 9 8 8 6

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.40, Hero calls $3.40

RIVER ($12.70) 9 8 8 6 J

Hero checks, BTN checks

BTN shows 9 A
(Pre 66%, Flop 88.8%, Turn 78.4%)

Hero shows 9 7
(Pre 34%, Flop 11.2%, Turn 21.6%)

BTN wins $11.94

lololol at last hand, him checking back a9

^haha yeah, i would never put him on a 9 there, but what do i know, he's a fish.

Not funny at all...good line.

srsly a backer? dude get yourself 300$ and i'll coach you every couple days for a part of your rakeback untill you get to 100nl.. this is really sad for you. you need post < bankroll

First AQ: Why didn't you 3bet preflop?

97s: Was villain super aggro postflop? Anyway, I would have just folded OTF.

i could end the stake if i wanted to, with $650+ to my name. i just feel more comfortable playing backed. first i want to hit $1k before i end the stake. i also play nl4/nl10 on the side with my $. im kind of a bankroll nit.

AQ: i dont think AQ is an auto 3bet. also i dont want to turn my hand into a bluff by 3b/folding.

97s: i believe this was the first hand vs. villan. flop is def debatable. turn is also questionable too.

lol go **** yourself, the guy makes a thread and is honest about everything (rare on 2p2) and you come in and say it's sad? getting $300 isn't easy for everyone, there's nothing wrong with playing on a stake. plus from every strat post i've seen you make your coaching wouldn't be incredibly helpful.

op this douches comment pissed me off enough that for some reason i'm going to keep a track of this thread often and give advice. beating 20nl is easily achievable for anyone with a pulse, but some people have a much rougher time getting a hang of this poker thing because of a bunch of different reasons. less to do with intelligence and more mental state and the way you learn to approach poker.

my first piece of advice is DO NOT PLAY MORE TABLES. while its true that to beat these levels you can/should just play tight and valuebet you still need to develop the thought process that goes into playing that game, playing abc isn't just a case of piling on the tables and playing tight preflop. years ago when i was struggling at 50nl the first thing i did was swallowed my pride and started playing on 1 or 2 tables while putting all my effort into my thought process and it's been easily the best thing i've ever done for my poker game. i kinda talked about it a bit more in this post (someone else's P&G thread): http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...l#post28142275. for you i'd focus less on the mathematical side of it for now and more on the thought process side.

anyway GL, I guarantee if you approach this right you'll have success

ty solost, i love hearing advice/other thought processes of winning players and see how it differs from mine. please do post!