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12-27-2011 , 04:36 PM
The call pre with QQ is certainly a decent play. I mean, you could just 3b if you think the fish will call 3bets a lot and doesnt really care for your hand strength. If he was like 70/3 or something I would probly 3b lol.

As played, im sort of torn between lead and raise otf. I dont like the XC. If villain has air, we will only get value otf, unless is really agro and barrels bad runouts and if the fish has like bottom pair, we wont get much. But if he has a draw, he is never folding, so I def want to raise if I check but tbh I think i would lead out. Just because all you said was btn looks reggy and I dont know if he would cbet this board that often. If he were liable to XB a decent amount, which i think a lot regs will on this board with a fish in (unless they have a hand) then I would bet for value against the fish. We might miss one street of value from their draws and if it checks through and an overcard to 2nd/3rd pair comes they might not like their hand as much also.


The KT hand I would bet the flop and look to barrel any club to fold out there random floats and sometimes small PP's and XB K/T and maybe bet river small like you did. I would prob bet $1 as played tho to make sure their range was as wide as possible
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12-27-2011 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number1Hater
very easy to play when u have the 3rd best starting hand in hold em, and also hit top set

wide range = more value betting for me. its so important to keep fish in pots with good holdings. i see far too many regs taking the standard 3bet and blowing fish out of the pot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfesorKaos
The call pre with QQ is certainly a decent play. I mean, you could just 3b if you think the fish will call 3bets a lot and doesnt really care for your hand strength. If he was like 70/3 or something I would probly 3b lol.
Do you often just call w/ QQ OOP in such situations (to allow a fish to limp/call)? Do you also play like this w/ KK or AA? Aren't we loosing value by doing so? Aren't we loosing too much equity? Do you play more or less straightforwardly postflop?
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12-28-2011 , 04:28 AM
no,no and no
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12-28-2011 , 06:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by furkae
Do you often just call w/ QQ OOP in such situations (to allow a fish to limp/call)? Do you also play like this w/ KK or AA? Aren't we loosing value by doing so? Aren't we loosing too much equity? Do you play more or less straightforwardly postflop?
It depends!

If I have been 3betting a lot I would 3b most ott. If the fish is limp/folding, I might just call with TT-QQ to trap the fish and I mean, I have like super good hands preflop against the regs crappy iso range, so it isnt that hard to play OOP. Especially with QQ.

With KK, I might flat but not very often. With AA I am always 3betting because it would be a disaster not getting the regs stack when he gets "coolered" and fk the fish, if he wants to play, w/e.
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12-28-2011 , 01:16 PM
got housed v2.0.

vs 32/18. prob coulda folded after he min raised.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($8.54)
BB ($35.77)
UTG ($11.89)
CO ($18.66)
Hero ($20)

Dealt to Hero A K

UTG calls $0.20, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $2.40, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $5.40, Hero raises to $20 (AI), CO calls $13.26 (AI)

FLOP ($37.82) 3 J J

TURN ($37.82) 3 J J 4

RIVER ($37.82) 3 J J 4 2

CO shows A A
(Pre 93%, Flop 98.0%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero shows A K
(Pre 7%, Flop 2.0%, Turn 0.0%)

CO wins $35.56


vs ******

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.20)
BB ($26.89)
UTG ($8.80)
UTG+1 ($8.70)
Hero ($20)
BTN ($7.74)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

UTG calls $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $1.10, fold, BB calls $0.90, UTG raises to $2, fold, Hero raises to $5.10, fold, fold, UTG raises to $8.20, Hero raises to $20 (AI), UTG calls $0.60 (AI)

FLOP ($20.10) 6 8 7

TURN ($20.10) 6 8 7 9

RIVER ($20.10) 6 8 7 9 7

Hero shows Q Q
(Pre 82%, Flop 71.4%, Turn 2.3%)

UTG shows T T
(Pre 18%, Flop 28.6%, Turn 97.7%)

UTG wins $18.90


co is whale, squeezer is aggro/maniac reg. this is like the 3rd time he has squeezed me from BB, after i iso open from sb.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($20.18)
BB ($18.60)
UTG ($10.30)
CO ($44.56)
BTN ($5.93)

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, CO calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, CO calls $2.80, fold, Hero raises to $12.20, fold, CO raises to $39.80, Hero calls $7.98 (AI)

FLOP ($43.56) 2 5 7

TURN ($43.56) 2 5 7 2

RIVER ($43.56) 2 5 7 2 K

Hero shows T T
(Pre 19%, Flop 8.4%, Turn 4.5%)

CO shows K K
(Pre 81%, Flop 91.6%, Turn 95.5%)

CO wins $42.56


opener is whale, squeezer is same reg from above hand.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($26.32)
BB ($20.50)
UTG ($7.10)
UTG+1 ($25.13)
CO ($8.88)
BTN ($13.13)

Dealt to Hero K K

UTG raises to $1.80, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.70, BB raises to $4.20, UTG calls $2.40, Hero raises to $26.32 (AI), BB calls $16.30 (AI), UTG calls $2.90 (AI)

FLOP ($48.10) 5 2 8

TURN ($48.10) 5 2 8 3

RIVER ($48.10) 5 2 8 3 6

Hero shows K K
(Pre 18%, Flop 7.9%, Turn 4.8%)

BB shows A A
(Pre 67%, Flop 84.6%, Turn 90.5%)

UTG shows Q Q
(Pre 15%, Flop 7.5%, Turn 4.8%)

BB wins $47.10


i aint even tilted bro
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12-29-2011 , 07:51 PM
another losing day, absolutely no momentum this week.

vs 2 ******s

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($14.20)
Hero ($25.59)
UTG ($22.20)
UTG+1 ($4.70)
CO ($27.52)
BTN ($20)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.70, fold, fold, SB calls $0.60, Hero raises to $2.80, UTG+1 raises to $4.70 (AI), SB raises to $14.20 (AI), Hero calls $11.40

FLOP ($33.10) 3 4 7

TURN ($33.10) 3 4 7 4

RIVER ($33.10) 3 4 7 4 A

SB shows J A
(Pre 28%, Flop 18.9%, Turn 7.1%)

Hero shows J J
(Pre 55%, Flop 75.7%, Turn 92.9%)

UTG+1 shows 9 8
(Pre 17%, Flop 5.3%, Turn 0.0%)

SB wins $31.12


vs whale, wtf..

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($20)
BB ($21.26)
UTG ($9.48)
Hero ($24.47)
CO ($16.17)
BTN ($34.10)

Dealt to Hero A T

UTG calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.60

FLOP ($1.90) 5 K A

UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60

TURN ($5.10) 5 K A 4

UTG checks, Hero bets $22.07 (AI), UTG calls $7.08 (AI)

RIVER ($19.26) 5 K A 4 J

Hero shows A T
(Pre 67%, Flop 77.7%, Turn 0.0%)

UTG shows 3 2
(Pre 33%, Flop 22.3%, Turn 100.0%)

UTG wins $18.11


sb is ******, utg is 25/16 fake aggro loser

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.72)
Hero ($20)
UTG ($30.60)
UTG+1 ($21.34)
CO ($19.67)
BTN ($40.27)

Dealt to Hero T T

UTG raises to $0.70, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.50

FLOP ($2.10) 9 6 6

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

TURN ($2.10) 9 6 6 5

SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG calls $1.60, SB raises to $2.02 (AI), Hero calls $0.42, UTG calls $0.42

RIVER ($8.16) 9 6 6 5 J

Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

Hero shows T T
(Pre 55%, Flop 71.8%, Turn 69.0%)

UTG shows J 9
(Pre 31%, Flop 20.3%, Turn 11.9%)

SB shows 4 7
(Pre 15%, Flop 8.0%, Turn 19.0%)

UTG wins $9.56


vs ****** dkfjadskfjdskfjdk, why even bet, he's not folding

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($43.23)
BB ($21.56)
UTG ($11.26)
Hero ($27.26)
CO ($17.37)
BTN ($30.53)

Dealt to Hero Q K

UTG raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.10

FLOP ($3.30) 2 8 2

UTG checks, Hero checks

TURN ($3.30) 2 8 2 J

UTG checks, Hero bets $1.80, UTG calls $1.80

RIVER ($6.90) 2 8 2 J A

UTG checks, Hero checks

Hero shows Q K
(Pre 64%, Flop 72.9%, Turn 13.6%)

UTG shows J 3
(Pre 36%, Flop 27.1%, Turn 86.4%)

UTG wins $6.49


another ****** lol

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($23.58)
BB ($4.50)
UTG ($51.78)
UTG+1 ($2.26)
Hero ($20)
BTN ($18.50)

Dealt to Hero A A

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.90, fold, fold, BB calls $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

FLOP ($2.80) J A 6

BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.20, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $1.36 (AI)

TURN ($5.52) J A 6 4

RIVER ($5.52) J A 6 4 7

UTG+1 shows J K
(Pre 14%, Flop 6.2%, Turn 20.5%)

Hero shows A A
(Pre 86%, Flop 93.8%, Turn 79.5%)

UTG+1 wins $5.19


so this is my graph starting from the 23rd. haven't had a winning session since.




its fricken spots like these that just kills my redline. or im bet/folding way too much in certain spots i should be checking back or check/calling. idk.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.20(BB) Replayer
SB ($46.86)
BB ($23.51)
UTG ($25.23)
Hero ($20)
CO ($26.78)
BTN ($12.50)

Dealt to Hero J A

fold, Hero raises to $0.60, CO calls $0.60, fold, SB calls $0.50, fold

FLOP ($2) 2 8 J

SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, CO folds, SB calls $1.60

TURN ($5.20) 2 8 J 6

SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

RIVER ($13.20) 2 8 J 6 5

SB bets $40.66 (AI), Hero folds

SB wins $12.41


and i feel by for my staker, because i haven't made a fricken dime ever since he staked me.


w/e, i ain't even mad bro.
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12-29-2011 , 09:29 PM
blah.. it happens keep your head up high
at least its not your money but yeah regardless you will still feel bad
cya at the tables
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12-29-2011 , 10:12 PM
chin up
ill post my last 20k hands graph
-2100bbs vrs ******S
sucks hard
but ive dropped tables and reworking at my game now
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12-30-2011 , 12:36 AM
Just thought I would point out that your thread should be titled "I want this badly", since you are describing your level of want.

Grammar Nazi ITT
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12-30-2011 , 09:45 AM
That AJ hand was well played. (Thin) b/f'ing is the most important line I experienced with in the last two months. Just bet and fold w/o a very strong hand.
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12-30-2011 , 11:35 AM
why check the 2 8 2 flop after 3 betting with KQ?
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01-03-2012 , 08:38 PM
happy new year everyone! haven't really played at all during the holidays, but now im back!

new years resolution:
-stop dicking around, and play!
-exercise

i find myself browsing youtube/facebook while playing, and i snap quit the session to dick around on those sites. no more of this!

i also want to lose about 15 pounds or so. i use to be 150lbs out of high school, now 180lbs. no more fast food/sodas.

good luck to all of you, and i wish you the best this year.
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01-03-2012 , 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chodemuncher
why check the 2 8 2 flop after 3 betting with KQ?
reasons:
-i don't think pp's ever fold
-he's probably check/calling a ton with overs/Ace high
-im probably going to have to fire more than 1 barrel vs a FISH to get him off those hands...which doesn't work well vs a fish who loves to call down
-im a pussy
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