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05-22-2018 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I would be OK with folding KK there, you have a read she only 4bets KK and she's in that demographic. It's controversial on this forum though because everyone will say you need to be 400bb effective and have 1000+ hours of reads and have a pair of OMCs 3/4/5 betting before you are allowed to pitch the cowboys.

I don't like showing your QQ hand.
On board with your thought process here for sure.

I know at least some other good posters agree with this from earlier discussions in LLSNL, that when we are around the 200BB mark (or more of course), we are going into territory where autostacking off with KK pre becomes less standard. Especially against certain nits,scared money OMC and those kind of villains that basically never goes overboard in a preflop scenario.

With this sizingtell, described villain 4 balling to a nutted sizing after opening from early pos- i would not fault anyone for folding KK here either for 230 BB.
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05-22-2018 , 11:16 AM
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05-22-2018 , 12:15 PM
Posting for the sub...gl OP
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05-22-2018 , 02:37 PM
Not too sure about this folding kings pre malarkey.

The last time I had Kings all in pre against Aces I won the hand ( caught another king on the river). The last time I had Aces all in pre against Kings I lost the hand (villain boated up).

Eff stacks approx 100bb. 1/3.

Last edited by BroadwaySushy; 05-22-2018 at 02:54 PM.
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05-22-2018 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Then I went back to the casino afterwards to play some more 1/3 and blow off some steam.
When poker becomes your day-in-day-out job, hopefully you've got a another steam blowing off alternative?

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05-22-2018 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
I would fold KK there, you have a read she only 4bets KK and she's in that demographic and we are over 150bb deep.

It's controversial on this site though because plenty of people say you need to be 500bb effective and have 1000+ hours of reads and have a pair of OMCs 3/4/5 betting before you are allowed to pitch the cowboys. I pitched KK twice live, one I am happy with was correct, once was too weak based on stack sizes (was early days playing live) but it turned out he had AA anyway.

I don't like showing your QQ hand.
Yeah showing only serves one purpose OP which is to boost your ego. If you think you are getting in your opponents head or setting them up for something later, it's a mistake because you are underestimating the value of giving your opponents free information.

150bbs+ is def territory where you need to start thinking about letting KK go preflop.

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
When poker becomes your day-in-day-out job, hopefully you've got a another steam blowing off alternative?

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Lol nah OP blows off steam by punting off stacks going all-in blind UTG preflop for $300.

Good luck OP. I think something has to change here for you to be successful and I'm rooting for you to figure out whatever that is or for me to be wrong and you to be wildly successful one way or the other. Either way, keep the gems coming! You've at least made an entertaining thread!
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05-22-2018 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
1000th post.

Thank you to those who have supported the decisions I made. What's done is done now. I'm not getting my job back and I'm not going back to uni for at least another 2 years, most likely longer.

So I might as well make this work out to the best of my ability. As long as I can get through the next 2 weeks without dropping more than 2k, then there's no reason why this shouldn't work out. The grind will be so much easier once I stabilise my sleeping routine.
How long do you plan on being a full time poker pro?
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05-22-2018 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
1000th post.

Thank you to those who have supported the decisions I made. What's done is done now. I'm not getting my job back and I'm not going back to uni for at least another 2 years, most likely longer.

So I might as well make this work out to the best of my ability. As long as I can get through the next 2 weeks without dropping more than 2k, then there's no reason why this shouldn't work out. The grind will be so much easier once I stabilise my sleeping routine.
Translation: OP is never going back to uni.
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05-22-2018 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Translation: OP is never going back to uni.
+1

If you don’t use the momentum from high school generated from being in academia mode for the past umpteen years of your life to go to college then you’re likely never going to go. Without a specific reason or direction (i.e. a vocation or career you’d like to pursue) there’s no way in hell you're going to casually decide to go to university after a few years of doing other things. It’s too easy to come up with reasons why it’s not a good idea and convince yourself that doing anything else would be better. It’s not for everyone, especially someone who has convinced them self that they’re grinding poker now to pay for college later. Usually people take a gap year or two to experience things and figure out what that vocation/career is, but if that gap is spent primarily playing poker I don’t see how one can derive it.
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05-22-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sensimuse
+1

If you don’t use the momentum from high school generated from being in academia mode for the past umpteen years of your life to go to college then you’re likely never going to go. Without a specific reason or direction (i.e. a vocation or career you’d like to pursue) there’s no way in hell you're going to casually decide to go to university after a few years of doing other things. It’s too easy to come up with reasons why it’s not a good idea and convince yourself that doing anything else would be better. It’s not for everyone, especially someone who has convinced them self that they’re grinding poker now to pay for college later. Usually people take a gap year or two to experience things and figure out what that vocation/career is, but if that gap is spent primarily playing poker I don’t see how one can derive it.
Totally agree, and well put. The momentum youre talking about is just so so important in order to pull university off.
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05-22-2018 , 05:00 PM
That's true, I can't see OP going back to college or uni as a late 20/30-something year old and studying with a bunch of kids 10-15 years younger than him. It's immensely difficult to restart education later in life.
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05-22-2018 , 05:15 PM
Hey op! Just wanted to chime in to wish you well in your goals. I think the learning curve is going to be really steep and I'm rooting for you to make it through.

I think BRM is going to be absolutely crucial though to how you get through the next few weeks and months. Especially without a second source of income. I play micros online, so can't comment at all on how live poker works, but I lost around 12 buy ins in about 4k hands, and tbf I didn't play an awful lot different to my normal game. I'd make a few decisions a bit differently now but the point is a lot of it was just standard variance. I dropped down stakes and made it back in bb's and will move back up probably next month. Point is though your bankroll needs to insulate you from these very standard swings. Without another income literally your entire life roll is in jeopardy from completely normal variance. You're relying on running good. You need to treat this like a business and build the reserves to make it through downturns completely unscathed. And don't underestimate the psychological element. Having plenty of buy ins also allows you to play without fear. If you're playing with 20 buy ins for instance, and you lose 6, that's going to feel like a big chunk and can't help but impact the way you play.

Now, I may be way off, you play far higher stakes than I (downswing was at 10nl), and perhaps the swings are not quite so egregious live. But then also the lower number of hands means a ds could last quite a long time. Either way I'm sure you've considered this and I wish you well in your poker goals!
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05-22-2018 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sensimuse
+1

If you don’t use the momentum from high school generated from being in academia mode for the past umpteen years of your life to go to college then you’re likely never going to go. Without a specific reason or direction (i.e. a vocation or career you’d like to pursue) there’s no way in hell you're going to casually decide to go to university after a few years of doing other things. It’s too easy to come up with reasons why it’s not a good idea and convince yourself that doing anything else would be better. It’s not for everyone, especially someone who has convinced them self that they’re grinding poker now to pay for college later. Usually people take a gap year or two to experience things and figure out what that vocation/career is, but if that gap is spent primarily playing poker I don’t see how one can derive it.
My mom graduated from college in 2010 and my grandma graduated from college in 2012. There's always time to finish college.
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05-22-2018 , 05:30 PM
Live variance is brutal. Downswings can last months.
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05-22-2018 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
My mom graduated from college in 2010 and my grandma graduated from college in 2012. There's always time to finish college.
Were they the main breadwinners in their family?

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05-22-2018 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Were they the main breadwinners in their family?

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Yes my mom is. Worked a full time job and completed her degree. Magna Cum Laude. My stepdad is a loser who can barely work a part time job as an Enterprise rent a car driver. Spends more money than he makes I'm sure and is a mooch.

My grandma was retired and got her degree. Summa Cum Laude.
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05-22-2018 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Live variance is brutal. Downswings can last months.
Wait til he goes 300 hours breaking even. It doesn't even matter if there's no big downswing. Just a long breakeven stretch and he's busto when hes paying bills and spending money frivolously from his tiny roll.
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05-22-2018 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
My mom graduated from college in 2010 and my grandma graduated from college in 2012. There's always time to finish college.
exception not the rule

long term successful perfessional gambooler - exception not the rule

setting out to b perfessional in the current environment is silly. Side gig im down with. Sole source o income = stoopid imo
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05-22-2018 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
My mom graduated from college in 2010 and my grandma graduated from college in 2012. There's always time to finish college.
I’m not saying it’s unheard of or that there aren’t outliers, just that it becomes less and less likely as time passes, especially given the relatively high cost of university compared to other life experiences. I will say I can only speak wrt college in the U.S. and have no concept of how it works in Australia. Given OP’s lack of judgment thus far in this thread, I doubt it’s fair to compare his situation to that of your mother or grandmother. Did they go purely for the pursuit of knowledge and to get the degree as a life achievement or to pursue a specific career path?
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05-22-2018 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze

You and your girl have champagne dreams and a water budget.
Nice saying.

The problem is OPs mindset is fixed. He considers himself either a loser or a winner and acts accordingly. He should be focussed more on improving step by step and making that the measure of success, instead of an endgoal like X amount of bankroll.

Self-improvement is a very good measure and goal structure. Currently, OP has actually been making worse and worse decisions. Not sticking to his stakes, living large with his (lazy?) girlfriend, not studying, tilting, not eating healthy, not working out and now even not working anymore.

However, since his goal is X amount of money, which is dependend on variance for a large part, OP does not realise how he is actually losing in life EV, being on his massive heater.

The importance of setting good goals is often overlooked. Why it matters is that it will be the baseline for your happiness, success and joy in life.
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05-22-2018 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Wait til he goes 300 hours breaking even. It doesn't even matter if there's no big downswing. Just a long breakeven stretch and he's busto when hes paying bills and spending money frivolously from his tiny roll.


A third of that would be enough for this guy to go busto.

The underlying tone of the OP is arrogance and recklessness. One is bad enough but both together and he’s gonna go through his roll faster than that burrito went through my colon yesterday.
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05-22-2018 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
A third of that would be enough for this guy to go busto.

The underlying tone of the OP is arrogance and recklessness. One is bad enough but both together and he’s gonna go through his roll faster than that burrito went through my colon yesterday.
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05-23-2018 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Translation: OP is never going back to uni.
the streets is OP's uni, bro

Spoiler:
vaaaamooooo
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05-23-2018 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Live variance is brutal. Downswings can last months.
Luckily OP wouldn't have to suffer that long. When things get bad he will get wiped out in a few days. Most probably finishing on the black jack tables.
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05-23-2018 , 12:45 AM
Funny 5/5/10/20 hand I played

A few weeks ago, I had a session of 5/5/10/20. I didn't post too many hands, but I did say that I went from being 2k up to being 2k down. Now that some time has passed, I can share a few HH's, like this funny one:

Average stack is like $2k but hero's stack is only $740. It's 9-handed and we're playing $5/$5/$10/$20.

UTG posts $20 live straddle
3 limpers $20
Hero raises $140 BB with AA
4 callers

Flop ($700, 5ways) is AK5r
We only have $600 behind

Hero bets $100
3 callers
1 fold

Turn ($1100, 4ways) is AK55

Hero checks
UTG+1 checks
MP bets $400
BTN calls all-in for like $330
Hero jams $500
UTG+1 folds
MP pauses for a few seconds, shrugs, then throws another $100 chip in

Our boat is good and we win a nice 2.4k pot.

I should mention that pretty much everyone involved in this hand was either a whale or an unknown (me). You could see the regs sitting back observing with a "wtf does everyone have" kind of face.

Thoughts on the creative line I took this hand, particularly in regards to bet size?
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