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Old 07-13-2011, 12:06 AM   #101
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

Are you playing at the Oaks in Emeryville? Why would you move to vegas? Better games/ enviroment in the Bay Area. There are a few good 2-5 games around, Lucky Chances is one of them
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Old 07-13-2011, 06:10 AM   #102
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

I played 6 hours today and won $47. Made quad Qs that was nice. Donked off a good chunk with KK utg vs a flopped flush lost way more than I should have.

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Nice progress and really nice results!
congrats and a lot of rungood

But i have to wonder, why would you like to move to vegas? isnt LA a better place to live and play?
another thing the Android app, does it include stats like standard derivation and stuff like that as well? cause im using the poker log by CP1.

the reason im bringing this up, if you have these stats, it makes it easier to calculate (risk of ruin, ev++) when you can safely take a shot, and since you appear to have a low variance style of play and a lot of weak competition, it might pay off to take shots with 10-15 BI.

anyways, love to see some graphs, and like the way you post your updates!
best of luck! cheers
My std deviation according to pt3 is 67bb/100 which I'm pretty sure is on the low side. I have messed around with those ev++ tools they are insightful. I have been keeping an eye on the 2/4 game and would probably be willing to take a shot if the line up is good enough.

I've been to Vegas 4 times as an adult and I just really love the atmosphere. I like it in the Bay Area but I just want to get out of here for awhile I know I can come back whenever I want.

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Excellent thread and am impressed. My question is, why not keep doing what you're doing and just live rent free at home? I get that the flashy lights of Vegas are very alluring and all, but when it's your rent money that's on the line it's a different story when you're facing that shove on the river.

What are you expecting to pay in terms of living expenses while out in Vegas? Certainly your win rate will be able to sustain a comfortable life style but quite frankly you haven't shown yet that you're able to stick with your time commitment goals, not by a long shot (95 hours out of 160 allotted for June?). What makes you think that you will be able to in Vegas, the ultimate Mecca of ADDers? You mentioned that you played blackjack before... not a good recipe for someone who wants to move to Vegas unless you're just THAT disciplined to be able to stay away from the BJ tables. Sounds to me like you got a juuuuuust a tad complacent (you had good reason, to be honest LOL) and kind of rested on your laurels a bit. Maybe alter your goal downward a bit if you don't feel you can reach 160?

You're obviously a good player but I would suggest you reconsider moving to Vegas until you have a very substantial bankroll (20k) and a place to live with all living expenses paid for a year or more. Additionally, I wouldn't burn any bridges with mom and dad in the even that you somehow wind up busto and have to move back in.

Don't forget that the job market will continue to suck for a very long while, which means that should you go busto, your job prospects will be just as bad then as it is now. You have it good just the way things are going right now. Stash that money away in a savings account and put some away into a long term savings plan if you can.

But good results and for god's sakes, don't change a thing.
I really want to get out on my own again and be independent and stop mooching off my parents. I moved out at 18 and didn't think I would ever have to move back in especially not for as long as I have been back. I'm 22 now, most of my peers are graduating college or in college. I feel it's really time for me to get my **** together. I will enjoy the rest of the year here and save up so that I would have to have some epic run bad to go busto.

I set my volume goal high and failed to reach it in the 2 previous months. I'm really trying to hit it this month. I'm starting to get in the groove of working again after not having a full time job since 2008.

There are some serious barriers to me ever getting a real job and I think grinding poker holds the most earning potential compared to anything else for me.

I appreciate the advice.

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Have been following the thread and wanted to put in my 2 cents here:

You play well, and will be a winning player for sure. Need to get the hours up.

If you rent a room in Vegas there are plenty of rooms for 300-400/mo. If you get your own place expect 1k a month (utilities in that 1k).

The 1/2 games in Vegas are great on the weekend and during heavy tourism (conferences), you should also be playing the 1/3 games they spread around also.....Palms is a GREAT 1/3, not much diff than the 1/2's.

Unless you pack food in a backpack you will be spending $15 per meal unless you eat crap. In CA food is comped at most Casinos (The Bike 2/3 blind 100-300 buy in is comped food) If you are playing 5 days a week 8 hrs a day, this is 2 meals a day.

The rake in Vegas is definitely lower than CA, CA drops $1 for jackpot no matter what and $3-$4 if you see a flop. Vegas is tiered up to $5 drop depending on pot size.

There are a lot more better structured (100bi or higher) games in Vegas, not the case in CA (i'm talking LA area, Bike, Garden, Commerce, Hustler, HP, etc..) unless you play 5/5 blind or higher. Exception is the 2/3 blind 300bi at the Bike and Oceans Eleven.

Also, if you are young and single Vegas has A LOT of distractions.

The biggest advantage you have is that you are young and can't F-up too bad here......go to Vegas, check it out, and if it works, cool, if not, go check out Los Angeles, if that doesn't work, go home

Good luck with the journey.
I am probably just going to rent a room for like 600/mo. I havn't played in southern cal yet. I wouldn't mind spending a few months down there grinding. There are a lot of "business trips" I would like to take to places like to AC and Florida. In the next 10 years I would like to hit the UK and Europe.

Thanks for the advice.

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I love how everyone is trying to help him out and are concern for him but i believe he said he was still a year away from leaving. With that in mind i think its to early to start planning living expenses because no one knows what can happen in the upcoming months.
Also best of luck with the grind. Keep on grinding away and push yourself into putting those hours in.
Grind on the mind!

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Are you playing at the Oaks in Emeryville? Why would you move to vegas? Better games/ enviroment in the Bay Area. There are a few good 2-5 games around, Lucky Chances is one of them
Yes The Oaks is home base. The only other rooms I've played at in the Bay Area are Garden City, Lucky Buck and Casino 580. I will definitely check out Bay 101 and Lucky Chances once I have the bankroll to play the bigger games.

Vegas is Vegas there is no other place like it. I want to stay out there for at least 3 to 6 months and if I get tired of it I won't be tied down (hopefully I don't knock anyone up haha).

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Old 07-13-2011, 07:40 AM   #103
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

SoCal sucks for grindind strictly because of traffic. Not only does is it a huge $$$ vig, but an obscene time waster as well.

Check out Miami if youre interested in traveling. I wouldnt move to Vegas until youre buying in for 500 or more, simply because that will be a better transitioning point for your career. In a year, you should be there.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:17 PM   #104
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

can you please post your monthly expenses so we can guage this better rent, utilites, auto insurance, phone bill, health insurance, etc? are you working another job?

details please on the quality of life. am thinking of doing the same


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Old 07-14-2011, 05:20 AM   #105
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

I played 8 hours today and won $72. Just another meh session, mostly folding no big hands.

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can you please post your monthly expenses so we can guage this better rent, utilites, auto insurance, phone bill, health insurance, etc? are you working another job?

details please on the quality of life. am thinking of doing the same


thanks
Right now I have budgeted 1k/mo to live off of. Mainly it is just food, phone, public transportation, weed. Living with my parents for now rent free. I'm saving up for a car which should cut my travel time to and from the card room in half.

Not sure exactly what you mean by quality of life.

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Old 07-15-2011, 03:41 AM   #106
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I played 6.5 hours today and won $59. Spotted a pretty obvious tell, heads up on the turn a have tptk it is checked to me and right as i'm about to put villain all in he beats into the pot about 80 into 150. I almost c/f it but end up putting it in anyway. He said he had 2p but I get saved by the river.

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Old 07-15-2011, 11:19 AM   #107
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Keep it up, Great Thread
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:37 AM   #108
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I played 8.5 hours today and won $99. Played okay accept for a hand where called a min 3bet oop with AK and c/c 3 streets on a K10348 board and got owned by 1010. Dumped 270 on that hand otherwise I could've a had a great session. All this week a have been missing some obvious folds.

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How much are you tipping?
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:55 PM   #110
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What are your requirements for ending a session?

I'm thinking about doing this... but I need to put together a more substantial BR together first. I'll be playing online mostly with maybe a trip to Mohegan/Foxwoods twice a month. I'll also be padding my BR with $100 a week.

Mohegan's 1/2 is a $300 bi while Foxwood's is $100.

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Old 07-18-2011, 06:05 AM   #111
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I played 5.5 hours today and lost $42. I played at the 2/4 table for a couple hours until it broke (played with a 50bb stack) and half the time it was short handed.

Here is a hand I played 3 handed-

Btn limps, sb completes, I check in the bb with 63

Flop- 543

sb leads for 20 into 11. I make it 50. btn folds, sb calls.

Turn- 4

Villian leads for 20 again I think about raising again but I don't think there is much that he is bet folding so I opt to call getting odds to draw at my straight.

River- 9

Villian checks and I check behind and give up. Villian flips 23 for a chop. Looks like I should have fired like 75 on the end.

Here is a hand back at the 1/2 table:

I've got AK raise it to 12 over one limper from mp, get 2 lp calls and the limper calls.

Flop- 557

Checks around

Turn- A

I fire 15, one call from lp, ep makes it 50. I call lp folds.

River- 2

ep leads for 75 into 160 with 25 behind. I ask him if he has a fh he said he pleads the 5th. Villian could show up here with a Q or J and maybe a 5. I make to crying call and he flips 77 nh sir. I guess I could have dumped it on the turn.

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I tip $1 for any pot over about $50. This comes out to about $1 or $2 an hour or between 5 and 10% of my winrate. Dealers have a tough job and they deserve every toke they get. When you take care of them they keep the game moving and make less mistakes.

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What are your requirements for ending a session?

I'm thinking about doing this... but I need to put together a more substantial BR together first. I'll be playing online mostly with maybe a trip to Mohegan/Foxwoods twice a month. I'll also be padding my BR with $100 a week.

Mohegan's 1/2 is a $300 bi while Foxwood's is $100.
I usually end a session when I feel the table conditions are not that great (not much dead money up for grabs). I usually scan the other tables to see if there are any better options, if not I just take off. I'll also quit if I am tired and don't feel I can concentrate and play well. I'll obviously end the session when I lose all the money in my wallet, lucky that has only happened once so far this year.

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Old 07-20-2011, 04:18 AM   #112
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I played 5.5 hours today and lost $42. I played at the 2/4 table for a couple hours until it broke (played with a 50bb stack) and half the time it was short handed.

Here is a hand I played 3 handed-

Btn limps, sb completes, I check in the bb with 63

Flop- 543

sb leads for 20 into 11. I make it 50. btn folds, sb calls.

Turn- 4

Villian leads for 20 again I think about raising again but I don't think there is much that he is bet folding so I opt to call getting odds to draw at my straight.

River- 9

Villian checks and I check behind and give up. Villian flips 23 for a chop. Looks like I should have fired like 75 on the end.

Here is a hand back at the 1/2 table:

I've got AK raise it to 12 over one limper from mp, get 2 lp calls and the limper calls.

Flop- 557

Checks around

Turn- A

I fire 15, one call from lp, ep makes it 50. I call lp folds.

River- 2

ep leads for 75 into 160 with 25 behind. I ask him if he has a fh he said he pleads the 5th. Villian could show up here with a Q or J and maybe a 5. I make to crying call and he flips 77 nh sir. I guess I could have dumped it on the turn.



I tip $1 for any pot over about $50.
This comes out to about $1 or $2 an hour or between 5 and 10% of my winrate. Dealers have a tough job and they deserve every toke they get. When you take care of them they keep the game moving and make less mistakes.



I usually end a session when I feel the table conditions are not that great (not much dead money up for grabs). I usually scan the other tables to see if there are any better options, if not I just take off. I'll also quit if I am tired and don't feel I can concentrate and play well. I'll obviously end the session when I lose all the money in my wallet, lucky that has only happened once so far this year.

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Pace- 88
Average hourly winrate- $13
Winnings- $1009

2011 YTD

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Average hourly winrate- $19
Winnings- $7179
I don't want to call you cheap and I know you are trying to make a living at poker, but the dealers are trying to make a living too. And they aren't getting shipped $300 pots every couple of hours.

I tip $1 on EVERY pot I win. I tip $2, $3, $4 or more depending on the size of the pot. I tip a redbird whenever I feel it's necessary.

Does it cut into my win rate? Yes. But the dealers have families to feed and I am doing this to supplement my income.

If I moved to another casino, I'd like to think I'd cut back on my tipping. But I would never eliminate tipping on pots below $50.

Maybe it's because I am a good tipper, but I know several dealers who complain about not getting tipped when they ship big pots.
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Old 07-20-2011, 04:22 AM   #113
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Anyone ever tipping more than 1$ a hand at 1/2 is an idiot. Sure sometimes you tip 2 when you hit a 1 or 2 outer or so
But if you actually added up your tips or keep track of them. You will see why. The fish will tip more cause they dont play often. The dealers understand you are trying to make a living grinding and can't tip as well as a fish
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:18 AM   #114
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I played 7 hours today and won $95. I played in the 2/4 game for most of the day. I feel comfortable playing in the bigger game, but still don't want to play with more than 10% of my bankroll on the table. I dumped my first 50bb buyin JJ vs AA aipf. I managed to make it back by making some moves and playing a little more aggressive than usual.

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I don't want to call you cheap and I know you are trying to make a living at poker, but the dealers are trying to make a living too. And they aren't getting shipped $300 pots every couple of hours.

I tip $1 on EVERY pot I win. I tip $2, $3, $4 or more depending on the size of the pot. I tip a redbird whenever I feel it's necessary.

Does it cut into my win rate? Yes. But the dealers have families to feed and I am doing this to supplement my income.

If I moved to another casino, I'd like to think I'd cut back on my tipping. But I would never eliminate tipping on pots below $50.

Maybe it's because I am a good tipper, but I know several dealers who complain about not getting tipped when they ship big pots.
To each his own. I have tipped 2 dollars for big pots but I think I am just going to stick to the standard of 1 dollar a pot from now on. I feel my contribution of $2k-$3k a year to dealers is sufficient. I think by being frugal I can decrease my risk of ruin and ensure I can stay in action (and toking) for years to come.

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Anyone ever tipping more than 1$ a hand at 1/2 is an idiot. Sure sometimes you tip 2 when you hit a 1 or 2 outer or so
But if you actually added up your tips or keep track of them. You will see why. The fish will tip more cause they dont play often. The dealers understand you are trying to make a living grinding and can't tip as well as a fish
Recreational players tend to tip more because their whole buyin is expendable. If they are losing players they tip big because it feels good and every chip in front of them will be gone eventually if they continue to play. Of the 33% or so who are winning players most are winning at a very small rate and if they tip too generously their meager profit will go right into the dealer's pocket.

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Old 07-20-2011, 10:26 AM   #115
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Tipping $1 per pot and $2 for big stacks is both standard and generous. It's difficult to beat rake as it is in 1/2, and dealers will make decent money if everyone tips like this consistently.
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:05 PM   #116
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I played 11 hours today and lost $325. I played well but took some standard beats AA vs JJ, QQ vs KK. Kind of funny whenever I played AKs the flop would be the opposite color . Other than the run bad I felt I still had a high level of focus throughout the long session. I'm planning to put in some more 10 hr+ sessions to hit my goal this month.

He is a hand I played-

I'm in lp and pick up 1010 I raise to 16 over 3 limps. bb makes it 32 and the rest fold. I study him for a minute and decide he doesn't have to have an over pair so I make the call. Stacks are 200 effective.

Flop- QQ8 villain donks 45, I feel like this a stab and he didn't connect. I make the call.

Turn- J check, check

River- J check check. He of course flips AK nh sir. I don't think there is much I could have done here maybe fire on the turn or river? Villain is a station and I had recently seen him snap off a river bet with underpair on a 4 straight 3 flush board.

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Old 07-22-2011, 10:01 PM   #117
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Yea that last hand sucks but when you call the pre flop raise and the flop raise you look strong and if you have a read on the player, stick with it. You thought he didn't connect and your right ( yea its easier now to say that now but with the check on the turn you could kinda tell that he is slowing down after your call) So looking back on it i think you could have bet the turn and taken down the pot there.
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Old 07-23-2011, 03:01 AM   #118
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I played 11 hours today and lost $325. I played well but took some standard beats AA vs JJ, QQ vs KK. Kind of funny whenever I played AKs the flop would be the opposite color . Other than the run bad I felt I still had a high level of focus throughout the long session. I'm planning to put in some more 10 hr+ sessions to hit my goal this month.

He is a hand I played-

I'm in lp and pick up 1010 I raise to 16 over 3 limps. bb makes it 32 and the rest fold. I study him for a minute and decide he doesn't have to have an over pair so I make the call. Stacks are 200 effective.

Flop- QQ8 villain donks 45, I feel like this a stab and he didn't connect. I make the call.

Turn- J check, check

River- J check check. He of course flips AK nh sir. I don't think there is much I could have done here maybe fire on the turn or river? Villain is a station and I had recently seen him snap off a river bet with underpair on a 4 straight 3 flush board.

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Pace- 108
Average hourly winrate- $8
Winnings- $779

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 398.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $6949
I think maybe shove the flop. You get to rep Qx hands plus 88, and any other pair 99 - JJ, basically anything that gets a fold there. Either way tough hand.

Best of luck, been following. Really respect the live grind game. If I had an option that would be my route so I'm really routing for you here. GL
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Old 07-23-2011, 03:34 AM   #119
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dont forget to include your stack sizes on your HH. Keep it up though good luck!
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Tipping doesnt really encourage dealers. I would consider not tipping at all, 3-4k a year is a **** ton of money.


Also, dump the AK on the 755A board that raise screams FH
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What was your biggest losing session and what have you tried to learnfrom it? And did you stick to it?
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I played 8.5 hours today and won $484. Played 2/4 for a little while and did okay but the table was relatively tough. Moved down to the 1/2 where there was crazy action and it paid off.

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My biggest losing session was -454 playing live 1/2. I've lost 6 buyins in 5 hours playing online. As a poker player you have to accept that you are going to be beat, you should just make sure that you are hard to beat. After taking hundreds of suckouts I think I am virtually immune to tilting. I've been stacked in every conceivable way so nothing throws me off anymore. After each lose I evaluate if played a hand bad or if I just got unlucky. If I made a mistake I just adjust in future situations.
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Old 07-25-2011, 05:16 PM   #124
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

I played an 18 hour session today and lost $813. Ironic how I post about losing then set my personal record for worst session. Just to sum it up I flipped with with AKo 3 times aipf (2 times for 400+ pots) and got snapped off by 22, 77, then 22 again. I checked/ shipped top set on the flop and got stacked by the nut flush draw. I ran KK into 55. Very sick run.

I thought I would show you guys my card protector. It's a lucky 1886 Morgan silver dollar.




July 2011

Total hours played- 122.5
Pace- 114
Average hourly winrate- $4
Winnings- $450

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 425
Average hourly winrate- $16
Winnings- $6623
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Old 07-25-2011, 05:38 PM   #125
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Re: Grinding up a bankroll to move to Vegas

Ouch, that's a tough session. Seems like a lot of us live grinders in the Goals and Challenges Forum are having a sub optimal July. But stay with it, keep your mind right and everything will end up just where it should.
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