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06-13-2012 , 01:40 PM
Today's Results- -$300 in 8.5 hrs

Running kind of cold. Made one dumb turn bluff vs a nit. Other than that no real big mistakes.

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Originally Posted by srw1990
This thread rocks.. I was in Vegas memorial day week and played about 10 sessions. It's crazy how much the action picks up at night 10pm And later...u should check out the Wynn sometime awesome room and I really enjoyed the 1-3 game. Good luck man u seem very determined I have a lot of respect for that . Keep up the good work.
Thanks! Wynn poker room is pretty nice.

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Originally Posted by KDolla83
I 3-bet to $55 IP here all day. I would rather get this heads up vs one of these villains. As played, you should'nt be raising this flop. You're not getting called by much worse and you want to keep all his air and TT-KK type hands in. If he's got Ax you're way ahead and want him to continue so you can get more value OTT and OTR. Calling OTF also controls the size of the pot the few times he's out flopped you. This deep if you raise the flop with TPTK and get re-raised or shoved on your hand is pretty much turned into a bluff and you've got to puke-fold.
Yeah I 3bet AK about 75% of the time. I thought over the hand more and I am fine with how I played it. I commited myself on the turn. Suppose villain always c/f river when he doesn't improve and I always pay him off when he hits, he wins 1800 1/4 of the time, I win 700 3/4 of the time. It is just too unlikely he can call the flop raise with a hand that turns into a flush by the river.

As for raising tptk on the flop, if I think I can get value from worse I'm going to raise. I'll also be able to feel out if I am behind based on villains reaction. I get 3bet on the flop I would probably fold.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86
The JJ hand is a fold once you c/r. Fwiw, Im not a huge fan of c./r there vs PFR as he only continues with hands that we beat, with TT being the exception.,

When he 3b shoves flop its always a hand that beats JJ.

glglgl
Yeah I know that was a bad call. Villain had just lost 2 or 3 big pots and was tilted for sure so I just couldn't give him credit for a hand there. I guess leading the flop would be better than c/r in that spot.

June

Total hours played- 62
Average hourly winrate- $3
Winnings- $198

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 629
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $10649
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06-13-2012 , 04:21 PM
I hate your call with the AK after villain bets $550 on the river... C'mon bro you know your beat, your better then that, it's so transparent he made the flush, or he was slowplaying you the whole way. Anyway you should've 3-bet to $60, theres no reason to get tricky and mix up your play against weak opponents who don't notice patters or anything. Also, mixing your play is for when your heads up not in a multi-way pot.

I love, your thread, I'll be starting my own next month, just have to get some debts paid off so I can focus on poker. Good luck and keep grinding brother.
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06-13-2012 , 05:17 PM
Great thread.

I rarely if ever mix up my game at 2/3 NLH. Then again your hourly is higher than mine so.....
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06-14-2012 , 07:16 AM
Today's Results- -$171 in 8.5 hrs

Half way through the month and I am breakeven so far. Not great, but could be much worse. I've run pretty good this year so a few losing days in a row isn't surprising, no sweat.

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Originally Posted by PayOffWizard1987
I hate your call with the AK after villain bets $550 on the river... C'mon bro you know your beat, your better then that, it's so transparent he made the flush, or he was slowplaying you the whole way. Anyway you should've 3-bet to $60, theres no reason to get tricky and mix up your play against weak opponents who don't notice patters or anything. Also, mixing your play is for when your heads up not in a multi-way pot.

I love, your thread, I'll be starting my own next month, just have to get some debts paid off so I can focus on poker. Good luck and keep grinding brother.
Yeah it was a bad call no doubt, all I have is a bluff catcher. You really should make a thread, I'll follow it.

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Originally Posted by serio562
Great thread.

I rarely if ever mix up my game at 2/3 NLH. Then again your hourly is higher than mine so.....
ABC is usually good, but if you think certain villains are watching and picking up info I like to throw a curveball occasionally.

June

Total hours played- 70.5
Average hourly winrate- $0
Winnings- $27

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 636
Average hourly winrate- $16
Winnings- $10478
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06-14-2012 , 05:48 PM
Hey Man,

Glad you finally made it to Vegas!

Sounds like the most +EV thing you can do right now is take a few days off. For a winning player, losing four or five days in a row is rarely due to just variance. Take some time to explore your new town, and come back refreshed and ready to grind.
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06-14-2012 , 07:09 PM
just focus on making the best decisions and forget about winning or losing, or your monthly profit, or your hourly rate, etc etc etc
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06-14-2012 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
just focus on making the best decisions and forget about winning or losing, or your monthly profit, or your hourly rate, etc etc etc
OH BOY I LIKE THIS ^^^

Plus, I think you're doing well overall. Keep up the good work!
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06-15-2012 , 02:23 AM
I had a winning day today, which felt nice.

I think the last five days in a row of losing can be attributed to bad play and a little run bad. I have been to passive pf and post. I've been c/c instead of b/f way too much. Also I need to stop making bets they can only get called by hands that beat me. I need to take more time with turn and river decisions. I have not been able to focus on the game as much as I would like to. I feel fatigue is a factor in my bad decisions. I need to sleep longer, take breaks atleast every 2 hrs (it is really hard to step away from a good game), I need to eat more healthy and regularly. I sometimes forget to eat because I am so hypnotized by a game. The number one thing I need to do is stay hydrated, I am going to make sure I put a couple bottles of water in the freezer before I go to sleep so I can drink frequently throughout the day as they melt.

It takes a lot more mental energy playing against 8 or 9 randoms. At the Oaks I had all the regs pegged pretty well and had a game plan vs each one so I would usually be autopiloting and tough spots rarely came up. Now I have to pay close attention to everyone and have to absorb as much info as I can as quickly as I can.

Also, I've realized I really suck playing 150bb+. I am going to watch the good players and try and learn as much as I can. There are also a couple of gambling related book stores with 100s of poker books. I need to get back into the habit of studying.

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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Hey Man,

Glad you finally made it to Vegas!

Sounds like the most +EV thing you can do right now is take a few days off. For a winning player, losing four or five days in a row is rarely due to just variance. Take some time to explore your new town, and come back refreshed and ready to grind.
Thanks! Yeah I defintely need to take a couple days off of poker to relax and do some fun stuff. I'll probably take mon and tues off because I can't pass up the soft fri-sun games. But you are absolutely right, days off are really important.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86
just focus on making the best decisions and forget about winning or losing, or your monthly profit, or your hourly rate, etc etc etc
I think you are right. I need to be goal oriented and not results oriented. I guess it is time to change the format a little. Winrate just doesn't mean anything, what is important is playing well consistantly.

The goal this month is to log 200 hrs, let's go!

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Originally Posted by Coach McGuirk
OH BOY I LIKE THIS ^^^

Plus, I think you're doing well overall. Keep up the good work!
I appreciate the support!

June

Total hours played- 76.5

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 642.5
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06-16-2012 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I had a winning day today, which felt nice.

I think the last five days in a row of losing can be attributed to bad play and a little run bad. I have been to passive pf and post. I've been c/c instead of b/f way too much. Also I need to stop making bets they can only get called by hands that beat me. I need to take more time with turn and river decisions. I have not been able to focus on the game as much as I would like to. I feel fatigue is a factor in my bad decisions. I need to sleep longer, take breaks atleast every 2 hrs (it is really hard to step away from a good game), I need to eat more healthy and regularly. I sometimes forget to eat because I am so hypnotized by a game. The number one thing I need to do is stay hydrated, I am going to make sure I put a couple bottles of water in the freezer before I go to sleep so I can drink frequently throughout the day as they melt.

It takes a lot more mental energy playing against 8 or 9 randoms. At the Oaks I had all the regs pegged pretty well and had a game plan vs each one so I would usually be autopiloting and tough spots rarely came up. Now I have to pay close attention to everyone and have to absorb as much info as I can as quickly as I can.

Also, I've realized I really suck playing 150bb+. I am going to watch the good players and try and learn as much as I can. There are also a couple of gambling related book stores with 100s of poker books. I need to get back into the habit of studying.



Thanks! Yeah I defintely need to take a couple days off of poker to relax and do some fun stuff. I'll probably take mon and tues off because I can't pass up the soft fri-sun games. But you are absolutely right, days off are really important.



I think you are right. I need to be goal oriented and not results oriented. I guess it is time to change the format a little. Winrate just doesn't mean anything, what is important is playing well consistantly.

The goal this month is to log 200 hrs, let's go!



I appreciate the support!

June

Total hours played- 76.5

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 642.5
i don't want to sound like an ass, but if you had a winning day, why did you not post the numbers and update the numbers? you do it all the time.
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06-16-2012 , 01:05 AM
yeah, post numbers plz.
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06-16-2012 , 03:27 AM
I believe that OP is trying to take money out of the equation as much as possible, starting with his posts?I like the idea of setting various goals each month working toward attaining them, all the while making the most +EV decisions at the table. I felt the same way, that is satisfactory and easy to look and see how much has pure aggression won or lost today, but I fully support the new format if that was the intended purpose. I hope that you do keep us updated maybe bi-monthly or so of what the win-rate looks like, that would be awesome.
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06-16-2012 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
i don't want to sound like an ass, but if you had a winning day, why did you not post the numbers and update the numbers? you do it all the time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I think you are right. I need to be goal oriented and not results oriented. I guess it is time to change the format a little. Winrate just doesn't mean anything, what is important is playing well consistantly.

The goal this month is to log 200 hrs, let's go!
Smart enough to quote the ENTIRE post, but not smart enough to read it.

Last edited by Limo Wreck; 06-16-2012 at 03:34 AM. Reason: Very inspiring story BTW OP. Keep up the good work!
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06-16-2012 , 04:03 AM
I played solid and had my biggest winning day since the move. I'm taking dhcg86's advice and I'm not going to post the numbers everyday anymore. I'll post stats and graphs at the end of the month.

Here are a couple of pics. I'll show you guys some of the places I'll be working.

Aria



Rio



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Originally Posted by DimeBagNit300
gl
TY!

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Originally Posted by ZombieApoc21
I believe that OP is trying to take money out of the equation as much as possible, starting with his posts?I like the idea of setting various goals each month working toward attaining them, all the while making the most +EV decisions at the table. I felt the same way, that is satisfactory and easy to look and see how much has pure aggression won or lost today, but I fully support the new format if that was the intended purpose. I hope that you do keep us updated maybe bi-monthly or so of what the win-rate looks like, that would be awesome.
Yeah I just want shift my mindset a little. What I won or lost of a period of 100 or 200 hands is totally irrelevant. I don't think anyone really gives a **** anyway haha.

I really want to focus on meeting goals that I set. If you have read the thread you know I've failed more often than not and I need to change that.

June

Total hours played- 81.5

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 647.5
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06-16-2012 , 06:33 AM
they wont let me make a Thread cuz i just made my acct so ill write it here cuz ppl are talking about vegas and everything was planing on going to vegas for the wsop how are the casg games out there?????? i was planing on bring 3.5k to 5k would that be good for my trip like plane hotel food cash games maybe one side event its my first time going to vegas and dont know how much anything is there like hotels and places too eat at
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06-16-2012 , 06:37 AM
cuz i see ur playing 1-2 and 1-3 wut places do u play at maybe ill try those for the wsop when i go down there...... any good places to play at for 1-2 and 1-3 ????????
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06-16-2012 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I played solid and had my biggest winning day since the move. I'm taking dhcg86's advice and I'm not going to post the numbers everyday anymore. I'll post stats and graphs at the end of the month.
I understand the aspect of trying to keep the numbers out of it and just playing solid and letting the results fall where they may, but as a reader the actual swings in $ amounts are what makes the thread fun to read. imo
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06-16-2012 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DimeBagNit300
they wont let me make a Thread cuz i just made my acct so ill write it here cuz ppl are talking about vegas and everything was planing on going to vegas for the wsop how are the casg games out there?????? i was planing on bring 3.5k to 5k would that be good for my trip like plane hotel food cash games maybe one side event its my first time going to vegas and dont know how much anything is there like hotels and places too eat at
It is rude to try to steal thread. Wait until you are able to start your own.
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06-16-2012 , 06:25 PM
If a month is too long, then maybe every few weeks?

The issue with posting everyday is that if gives you ANOTHER reason to try and make plays that give you a positive for the day, not necessarily what the best play is.

GLGLGLGGL

YOU CAN DO IT!!

dont worry about what makes everyone else happy, only about what makes you the most money

not tipping and not paying for anything out of ur stack will help increase ur winrate
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06-16-2012 , 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Limo Wreck
Smart enough to quote the ENTIRE post, but not smart enough to read it.
just because he writes it doesn't mean he should stop posting.

is he going to totally stop keeping track of wins/losses? that's probably not a good idea. idk, maybe it is. i'm not a pro trying to make a living. i'm just trying to supplement my income.

i mean, he can try to hide it but deep down inside he's going to know when he loses $1000 in a day and when he wins $1000. the stats are always going to be there. just posting them in here doesn't make him more results-oriented.

and, frankly, the goal is to win as much money as possible. i want to make the right decision every time, but i want to be cashing out massive profits as well.
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06-16-2012 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
just because he writes it doesn't mean he should stop posting.
Yeah you're right, I was being a doosh. I hope he's keeping track of it somewhere as he'll need to know his long term results to determine his goals.

That said, I can totally understand the desire to ignore results in the short term especially when on a downswing. Thinking of negative variance in terms of real money can make it hard to make good decisions at the table.

So hopefully after his downswing he'll start posting it again.

Good luck OP, you're story is motivating me to put in more volume

Edit: Also I was checking out rent prices in LV on craigslist. $700 is way too much unless you're splitting it with roomies. You should be able to get your own pad for ~$500 month even if you have bad credit there's lots of good rent deals in LV atm.
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06-17-2012 , 12:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
just because he writes it doesn't mean he should stop posting.

is he going to totally stop keeping track of wins/losses? that's probably not a good idea. idk, maybe it is. i'm not a pro trying to make a living. i'm just trying to supplement my income.

i mean, he can try to hide it but deep down inside he's going to know when he loses $1000 in a day and when he wins $1000. the stats are always going to be there. just posting them in here doesn't make him more results-oriented.

and, frankly, the goal is to win as much money as possible. i want to make the right decision every time, but i want to be cashing out massive profits as well.
posting the results certainly makes one results oriented/minded, even if its only subconscious.

Stop thinking of poker in terms of money and wins and losses. Start thinking in terms of equity vs ranges and making the best play.

Focus on what you can control (your play) and forget about what you cant control (the results, cards that hit, etc)

And fwiw, making the right decision everytime will lead to massive profits over the LONG TERM
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06-17-2012 , 03:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by D0UGHBOY
but as a reader the actual swings in $ amounts are what makes the thread fun to read. imo
I agree, but this is not a blog that one reads for entertainment. It is a thread on 2+2, to seek advice and to analyze poker hands/play.

I hope I am not an accessory to derailing the thread. I do enjoy reading and hearing from individuals grinding the live arena and trying to get a hold of a winning poker mindset, over the long term.
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06-17-2012 , 06:11 AM
I played pretty good, only one spot comes to mind where I didn't get max value when I had bottom set vs top2.

Here is one you can laugh at, The 2/5 games were pretty dry at MGM so I was donking around at 1/2-

I complete sb with 76

Flop- 985
bink , I lead for 15 into 15, 1 lp call, btn raises to 45, I say all in and the dealer throws a little plastic card in front of my stack that says all in. I have 283. It folds to lp who has me covered doesn't take to long to make the call with 109. The board runs out and I take it down.

Not thinking about results has been really beneficial to my game. I have been drinking a lot of water and taking breaks. I am back in the zone and making good reads and lay downs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DimeBagNit300
they wont let me make a Thread cuz i just made my acct so ill write it here cuz ppl are talking about vegas and everything was planing on going to vegas for the wsop how are the casg games out there?????? i was planing on bring 3.5k to 5k would that be good for my trip like plane hotel food cash games maybe one side event its my first time going to vegas and dont know how much anything is there like hotels and places too eat at
5k would be enough, I've taken Vegas trips with much less. You can google hotel rates. Just about every place has 1/2 or 1/3 nlhe. You can check out allvegaspoker.com for all info on poker rooms.

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Originally Posted by D0UGHBOY
I understand the aspect of trying to keep the numbers out of it and just playing solid and letting the results fall where they may, but as a reader the actual swings in $ amounts are what makes the thread fun to read. imo
Well like I said daily results just don't have any significance because of variance. Everyone is going to have to wait until the end of the month. I'll post all my stats for the first half of the year with graphs.

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Originally Posted by serio562
It is rude to try to steal thread. Wait until you are able to start your own.
I don't mind, it is on topic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhcg86
If a month is too long, then maybe every few weeks?

The issue with posting everyday is that if gives you ANOTHER reason to try and make plays that give you a positive for the day, not necessarily what the best play is.

GLGLGLGGL

YOU CAN DO IT!!

dont worry about what makes everyone else happy, only about what makes you the most money

not tipping and not paying for anything out of ur stack will help increase ur winrate
Thanks for the advice man!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
just because he writes it doesn't mean he should stop posting.

is he going to totally stop keeping track of wins/losses? that's probably not a good idea. idk, maybe it is. i'm not a pro trying to make a living. i'm just trying to supplement my income.

i mean, he can try to hide it but deep down inside he's going to know when he loses $1000 in a day and when he wins $1000. the stats are always going to be there. just posting them in here doesn't make him more results-oriented.

and, frankly, the goal is to win as much money as possible. i want to make the right decision every time, but i want to be cashing out massive profits as well.
I still diligently track every session on my phone. I'll still know when I'm having a bad day but having to post losing session after losing session was a little depressing and was weighing on me mentally. I want this thread to take a little bit of a different direction. I'll try and write more about strategy and less about wether I am running bad or running good because in the big scheme of things it just doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Limo Wreck
Yeah you're right, I was being a doosh. I hope he's keeping track of it somewhere as he'll need to know his long term results to determine his goals.

That said, I can totally understand the desire to ignore results in the short term especially when on a downswing. Thinking of negative variance in terms of real money can make it hard to make good decisions at the table.

So hopefully after his downswing he'll start posting it again.

Good luck OP, you're story is motivating me to put in more volume

Edit: Also I was checking out rent prices in LV on craigslist. $700 is way too much unless you're splitting it with roomies. You should be able to get your own pad for ~$500 month even if you have bad credit there's lots of good rent deals in LV atm.
Yeah I can find cheaper places further out but I don't have a car and I don't want to take the bus everyday. I really like my location at the moment so it is worth the extra $.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhcg86
posting the results certainly makes one results oriented/minded, even if its only subconscious.

Stop thinking of poker in terms of money and wins and losses. Start thinking in terms of equity vs ranges and making the best play.

Focus on what you can control (your play) and forget about what you cant control (the results, cards that hit, etc)

And fwiw, making the right decision everytime will lead to massive profits over the LONG TERM
I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Originally Posted by ZombieApoc21
I agree, but this is not a blog that one reads for entertainment. It is a thread on 2+2, to seek advice and to analyze poker hands/play.

I hope I am not an accessory to derailing the thread. I do enjoy reading and hearing from individuals grinding the live arena and trying to get a hold of a winning poker mindset, over the long term.
I hope everyone gets something out of the thread, it certainly has been an awesome tool to improve my game.

June

Total hours played- 88.5

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 654.5
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06-18-2012 , 03:31 AM
No big mistakes today. I have a feeling I am going to be able to make a lot more money out here then I could if I was stuck at the Oaks. I have been table selecting religiously and not wasting time at bad tables. Once I find a good table and a good seat poker is pretty easy.

I am waking up later because the day time games have mostly been bad. I want to play from about 4pm-2am. I am going to have to get used to 10 hr sessions if I am going hit my goal of 200 hrs for the month. I have nothing better to do so I should be able to make it happen.

June

Total hours played- 94

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 660
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