To be up to par with our opponents, we always have to adjust accordingly. Whatever style we espouse in poker, there's only one truism and that is aggression wins in this business. Just bc people limp doesn't mean they have a strong hand.

Everyone and their mothers limp/call in EP/MP w/ hands like AT, KJ, QT, JT, etc, etc in most cash games I know, and that's how I make most of my money. We have to punish them and be the aggressor regardless of what we're holding, IMO.

I agree with what you are saying but you are talking about barrelling boards that are 3 overs to your 88 into 3 people who are limping the hands you posted above. Go and take alook boards that contain 3 overs and then take alook at those hands you posted. What do you see? Because i see a board that smacked the hell out of the range you are trying to bet them off of. So your telling me you make money by barrelling them of of 2pair/top pair/pair+gutshots/pair+openeded?? No chance... I agree that in certian games this style of play can be rewarding but in most low limit games raising with 88 then barrelling into 2-3 people on 3 over boards is burning money. Anyways like i said i agree with you that agression is best but to say that is your standard line and its profitable is silly. There is nothinig wrong with mixing up your game and limping medium-small pairs in late pos. When 3+ peoplehave already limped in.

Anyways i dont want derail this thread so im done....

What the hell are you talking about, 3-barreling into 3 people pot? You raise to narrow the field and take the lead in the pot. You don't raise to get 3 limpers to call. You would only bet the flop if there's 3 overs to your pair if it's heads up, not if there's 3 other people in the pot plus you. Are you kidding me? Where did you read that I said I would bet with 3 other people in the pot with 3 overs? Hell, if I raise with AA, and I get 3 callers, I may not even bet the flop regardless of what the texture is, much less with 88. I know how to play poker and I know all the percentages.

It's heads up that I am talking about, not multi-pot. Get it. Read first before you respond to my post. You raise pre to for 2 purposes, 1) narrow the field; 2) take the lead in the pot. Thank you, heading to NOLA. Let's go. I am on fired.

Anything else?

Figures, I mention something about your winrate and you have your biggest losing session to date.

Im doing well. Unfortunately Angie and I are no longer together.

Table dynamic is probably the most important part of playing your 88 there. If its a table where you can fold out 1 or 2 of the limpers and the remaining players will play fit or fold then raising there is certainly viable.

If you are at a table where all 3 will call it will be difficult to even c bet very many boards.

If you are at a table that 3 bets often (not common in small nl games) then raising creates very difficult pf decisions.

In my opinion small and med pocket pairs work best as implied odds hands in loose passive games (which most 1/2 1/3 type games are).

I want to be able to control pots with medium holdings if im going to raise, not balloon them out of control. Since a large raise baloons the pot too big, and a smaller bet insures multiple callers, I prefer to just limp a defer to set mining + playing small favorable flops in position. / rant.

Its great to see your game coming along and your results increasing. Keep up the good work!

I never mentioned 3barrelling and you never mentioned thining the field. Anyways im over it.

Today's Results- $211 in 8 hrs

I played back at the Oaks today the game was good all day and I managed to get back into the positive for the month. I saw one of the regs using a bright orange 5 hkd Ventian Macao chip as a card protector, I thought that was neat. He said the action is amazing there. I would love to visit the gambling capitol of the world some day.

Here are a couple hands I played-

I have QQ in mp and make it 16 and get 3 callers

Flop- 855
I bet 45 in 61 and get 1 call

Turn- 9
I check villain fires 75 into 151 and has 75 behind. I felt like he could have called on the flop with a 5, the straight hit aswell. I don't think he is betting an 8. It is an old guy who I don't think bluffs much I think he would check back a fd so I decide to let it go.

I pick up AA utg and make it 16 and get 2 calls

Flop- 456
I bet 20 into 47, lp folds. sb c/r to 80. I contemplate and villain says "I think I out flopped you" I'm pretty sure that's a sign of weakness so I make the call.

Turn- K
villain fires 100 into 207, I call (maybe I should've raised to like 225 to charge draws)

River- 9
villain checks, I check he shows 97

I am moving out of my room in Oakland at the end of the month, I'll be off probation and free to move out of the county legally. I don't have arrangements in Vegas yet so I should probably get on that. My plan is to find a small studio apartment for around 700/mo within walking distance of the Strip.

You definitely jinxed me haha

Good to hear you are well, sry to hear about the split. There is merit to both ways of playing mid pairs, thanks for the input. I'll just keep doing what I'm doing until I'm bored of poker or busto.

May

Total hours played- 58.5
Average hourly winrate- $3
Winnings- $201

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 544.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $9468

wait? you're on probation? don't you have to report to a PO and have a freaking job?

Today's Results- $356 in 6 hrs

The action was great today, I didn't play any huge pots just chipped up a little at a time. I am feeling really comfortable playing with 100bb+ stacks.

Yes, and yes I told them my job is poker. I paid off all my fines with it haha.

May

Total hours played- 64.5
Average hourly winrate- $9
Winnings- $557

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 550.5
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $9824

here is why it is better to raise from MP with the hands u play vs limp

by raising u fold out blinds and you set the price of the preflop bet (for 90% of the time)

because people so rarely 3b live, you can raise and then fold if someone 3bs you

by raising we take the lead, which is key and we also fold out crap from the blinds, which is more important given our hands.

the deeper you are the more you should be raising to isolate(this is why full buyins are key)

ALso, you can cbet dry boards for like 25% of pot and as long as you win like 1/5 times youre showing a profit

The reason why I mix in some limping is because raising and cbetting gets expensive in the 1/2 games I play. If there are three limpers you have to raise to $15 or $18 to thin the field. The good side to raising in position is you play a bloated pot in position with a likely best hand, but if you do it a few times and fail you lose quite a bit on money. It seems like it depends on the players for me.

Don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to understand that one of the reasons for raising pre is to narrow the field, but nevertheless. No one is raising pre hoping to have every limpers in America to call the raise.

You are right, let's end this discussion. Cheers!!!!

limp/folding is best

Today's Results- -$151 in 2.5 hrs

I decided to go to the Oaks in the morning and play 1/2, now I remember why I stopped coming in the morning. The game was terrible except for an enthusiastic guy knocking back a few cocktails. I had an odd situation come up-

I pick up AJ utg and make it 8, new player who has just posted calls, lp drunk guy makes it 21. I consider making a 2.5x 4bet but I would be commiting myself so I eye ball his stack and rr to 100, old man who just sat calls like its nothing, I know I'm very likely in bad shape. lp calls and is allin for 93

Flop-A96
I go all in for 100, old man calls

Turn- 9

River- K
I table my hand, drunk guy shows 88, old man rolls over AQ the dealer ships him the pot.

I decide I don't want to play anymore and head to the cage to cash out a few chips I had in my pocket. As I step through the doors and take not more than 5 steps outside, I go over the last hand in my head and realize the river saved me. I run back in and tell the dealer I think he made a mistake and it should have been a chopped pot. He denies the possiblity he could have made a mistake. I tell him I am absolutely sure and they can check the tape. I tell him I want him to call the floor. He tells me to go find the floor myself, basically totally unsympathetic.

I find the floor, explain what happened and he goes to check the tape. As I'm sitting at an empty table waiting for him to came back I start to think maybe I didn't recall right, maybe there was no K and how it would be a little embarrassing to make such a big fuss over a lost pot.

After what seems like a long time he comes up to me and says "let's get you paid". He politely lets old man know what happened and that he needs half of 493. He slides the chips into the middle and the dealer pushes them to me. I think an apology would have been appropriate after shipping 247 of my money to someone else, but given how he handled the situation I'm not surprised he said nothing. I tipped the floor for his effort.

Of course I shoulder some of the responsibilty for not noticing or speaking up at showdown, but the dealer was completely uncooperative and unprofessional after I came back in to plead my case. I am glad it got worked though. The moral of the story: protect your hand.

May

Total hours played- 67
Average hourly winrate- $6
Winnings- $406

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 553
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $9673

LOL calling 100 pre with AQs. I mean how can we lose in this game when people are making these kind of calls at LLNL? I said it before and I'll say it again God bless America. Ship the benjamins!!!!!!

this why I never tip dealers

Lol mr pink

AA99K. This is a split pot or am I missing something?

Oops nvm. Tired. Should've read the whole post before going " you've been robbed""

Is this the policy in all casinos? I would assume since the hand is over and you left the table, you forfeit the money.

1) what if old man refuses to chop?
2) what if old man had left already?
3) what if floor says you have no right to pot?
4) what if you realized this 30 mins later, an hour, 5 hours
5) etc.

If I was the old man I would have a problem with chopping the pot. If a player accidentally mucks hand, then its accepted such player is out of luck. Maybe dealer should pay out of pocket for mistake or written up. IMO

Nothing against OP, good job of getting the chop.

Fairness is utilitarianism, rules are set to govern fairness, and can even be bent to conform.

But his hand didn't go into the muck, it was tabled and the dealer pushed the pot to the older gentleman in error. I agree if his hand was never shown then he has no right to the pot. Bottom line is if you table your hand face up the dealer is in charge of determining the winner(s) of the pot.

Today I called a river bet which would've been a chop. The guy who made the bet was new, never seen him before and I've been to this casino a million times.
I show my J on a J6668 board and he shows his J as well, but since I know the rules I show both my cards, this guy however mucks his other card and the dealer automatically declares the hand dead. So I win the 250BB pot.

I end up giving him half the pot after the dealer scooped it my way because I could tell it was an honest mistake.

What would you do? There are no friends on the poker table but I believe in doing the right thing yet I would've been up for the day and well, we play for max profit.

Its difficult to honestly know unless we are placed in the same situation.

For me it would depend on several factors such as

1. Stuck or winning
2. Amount stuck/winning
3. General mood
4. Previous interaction with villain
5. Image of villain(nit, semi pro, recreational player)
6. How much longer in session
7. Etc

Honestly, more often than not I would tell villain, "Sorry, I can buy you a drink."