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03-31-2012 , 06:35 AM
Today's Results- $57 in 7.5 hrs

In one hand I paid a guy off with tpgk on a dry board, it was pretty cheap the whole way and I couldn't find enough reason to fold on any street. There was a couple spots when I took a stab on the flop then gave up when I should have continued on turn. I was down 250 at one point then won a big pot with top set vs tptk, a third guy somehow got away from an overpair which was a pretty sick laydown getting good odds with the pot huge already.

March

Total hours played- 109
Average hourly winrate- $21
Winnings- $2248

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 349
Average hourly winrate- $16
Winnings- $5710
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03-31-2012 , 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Today's Results- $57 in 7.5 hrs

In one hand I paid a guy off with tpgk on a dry board, it was pretty cheap the whole way and I couldn't find enough reason to fold on any street. There was a couple spots when I took a stab on the flop then gave up when I should have continued on turn. I was down 250 at one point then won a big pot with top set vs tptk, a third guy somehow got away from an overpair which was a pretty sick laydown getting good odds with the pot huge already.

March

Total hours played- 109
Average hourly winrate- $21
Winnings- $2248

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 349
Average hourly winrate- $16
Winnings- $5710
What's up PA! What was the sequence of the top set hand? Your position, Villain? Bet sizes? Did he double you?
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03-31-2012 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by the_quiet_assassin
What's up PA! What was the sequence of the top set hand? Your position, Villain? Bet sizes? Did he double you?
I was in the CO 3bet a 10 open (loose calling station) to 30, sb (tight reg) calls, station calls. stacks are 230 effective

Flop- Q87
tight reg leads for 75 into 89, station ships for 200, I "think" for about 20 secs, study both villains before calling. I'm unsure if I tanked for 3 min and really sold my decision as tough he would call for only 125 more into the pot of 564. But given my super nitty rep he got away from Kings.
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03-31-2012 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
I was in the CO 3bet a 10 open (loose calling station) to 30, sb (tight reg) calls, station calls. stacks are 230 effective

Flop- Q87
tight reg leads for 75 into 89, station ships for 200, I "think" for about 20 secs, study both villains before calling. I'm unsure if I tanked for 3 min and really sold my decision as tough he would call for only 125 more into the pot of 564. But given my super nitty rep he got away from Kings.
Can't believe SB didn't 4-bet pre and ship it pre. I love this game!!!!
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03-31-2012 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by the_quiet_assassin
Can't believe SB didn't 4-bet pre and ship it pre. I love this game!!!!
Well, I was in the game, and the SB clearly thought he was trapping our OP by just smooth calling. Which would have been a good play, had the board come down differently, since he knows OP is usually only 3betting with JJ+.

But I wouldn't worry much about it being your nitty rep that caused that laydown. It's really hard for SB's hand to be good in that spot against anyone who makes that overcall in your position after 3-betting pre, except some total and complete fish.
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04-01-2012 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Today's Results- -$30 in 6 hrs

I got to practice an important nlhe skill today... check/folding the flop.

March

Total hours played- 101.5
Average hourly winrate- $22
Winnings- $2191

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 341.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $5653

you could write a book about this one statement.
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04-01-2012 , 04:32 AM
Although it seems this topic has already been hit with a baseball bat, I wanted to include my opinion. The player in question is not a break even player. Breaking even is just that, after a week or a month the player didnt lose any money which is a hard feat in itself considering rake/drop. The player in question is in fact in the black and using those winnings for living expenses!
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04-02-2012 , 06:20 AM
hey man, if you want some help I would be happy to give you some advice. because basically here is the deal

a) "low variance" style is basically bull****. a higher roi reduces variance, and a lower roi increases it. higher winrate= lower swings. lower winrate= higher swings. So play however increases your winrate, not what seems safe

b) you need to ignore the cashout at 10% rule. the more money you have, the deeper you can play vs people, and assuming you think you have an edge on someone, then you you should try to play as deep as possible. this is how you will book big wins

c) in regards to the 99 flopped set hand; yes a flopped str8 and a flush are in their range, but its a very small %, most of their range is flush draw/2p hands and some overpairs, which you crush and most of which will be willing to get it in. focus on your hands vs ranges, not vs specific hands.
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04-02-2012 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Today's Results- $224 in 2 hrs

I played a short session today. The only significant hand I played I made a questionable call with jacks on a scary turn. I rivered a set and c/c another small bet and took it down he said he had slowplayed aces.

March

Total hours played- 95.5
Average hourly winrate- $23
Winnings- $2221

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 335.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $5683


I've been lurking ur thread for a while. Keep crushing. One question though. U c/c a river bet, then just roll ur hand over out of turn. Why do u do that? I will if they were clearly bluffing. But he must have though aces were good. So did u call and snap show?
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04-02-2012 , 10:15 AM
OP your one sick human, great thread and comments. GL rest of the year, beat 2011's numbers!
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04-03-2012 , 06:27 AM
Today's Results- $463 in 7.5 hrs

March was a good month, second best month ever as far as profit goes despite having my biggest downswing of 2012. I only got in about 2/3 of the hrs I wanted to play but I was busy with real life stuff so putting in over 100 hrs is acceptable.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_quiet_assassin
Can't believe SB didn't 4-bet pre and ship it pre. I love this game!!!!
I don't mind when they go easy on me

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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Well, I was in the game, and the SB clearly thought he was trapping our OP by just smooth calling. Which would have been a good play, had the board come down differently, since he knows OP is usually only 3betting with JJ+.

But I wouldn't worry much about it being your nitty rep that caused that laydown. It's really hard for SB's hand to be good in that spot against anyone who makes that overcall in your position after 3-betting pre, except some total and complete fish.
I guess it wasn't that awesome of a laydown as my stack off range is pretty narrow.

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Originally Posted by dhcg86
hey man, if you want some help I would be happy to give you some advice. because basically here is the deal

a) "low variance" style is basically bull****. a higher roi reduces variance, and a lower roi increases it. higher winrate= lower swings. lower winrate= higher swings. So play however increases your winrate, not what seems safe

b) you need to ignore the cashout at 10% rule. the more money you have, the deeper you can play vs people, and assuming you think you have an edge on someone, then you you should try to play as deep as possible. this is how you will book big wins

c) in regards to the 99 flopped set hand; yes a flopped str8 and a flush are in their range, but its a very small %, most of their range is flush draw/2p hands and some overpairs, which you crush and most of which will be willing to get it in. focus on your hands vs ranges, not vs specific hands.
I plan on buying in fullstacked at the 2/4 game and staying topped up to the max buyin this month. (I had mostly been buying is for 50bb or a little more)
You are right, since I am calling any bet on the turn I might as well 3bet the flop

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Originally Posted by ledoutwbottomset
I've been lurking ur thread for a while. Keep crushing. One question though. U c/c a river bet, then just roll ur hand over out of turn. Why do u do that? I will if they were clearly bluffing. But he must have though aces were good. So did u call and snap show?
Basically how the hand went I raise pf, bet the flop with an overpair. the turn brought an over card and a 3flush, I do have one of the suit I check/ tank called a little less than a half pot bet planning to give up on the river if he fires again. When I rivered a set I figured I was probably good even though a straight and flush were possible. I'm sure you have seen standoffs at showdown when no one wants to show first. I always table my hand quickly after the action is complete so we can get on the the next hand. I might miss a little info but I usually have a pretty good idea where they are at anyhow.

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Originally Posted by JustKOS
OP your one sick human, great thread and comments. GL rest of the year, beat 2011's numbers!
TY sir!

I've started off the month running good already, I plan on really grinding this month and putting in some volume.

April

Total hours played- 5
Average hourly winrate- $93
Winnings- $463

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 354
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $6173
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04-03-2012 , 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhcg86
hey man, if you want some help I would be happy to give you some advice. because basically here is the deal

a) "low variance" style is basically bull****. a higher roi reduces variance, and a lower roi increases it. higher winrate= lower swings. lower winrate= higher swings. So play however increases your winrate, not what seems safe.
this is not really true... avoiding marginal situations reduces variance. which would mean a lower ROI since your giving up a little by avoiding these spots.
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04-04-2012 , 12:52 AM
Today's Results- $189 in 6 hrs

The table was good today, I played well. I ran bad in a couple big pots but managed to take down this one.

I'm in lp and pick up AJ, a loose player has raised to 12 over a couple limps, I call along with 4 others

Flop- J53
pfr bets 50 I raise to 150, the rest fold he calls and says "I've flopped 2p I'm not going anywhere" This definitely shows weakness

Turn- Q
He checks and as I slide 200 toward the pot villain quickly brings up 400 close to the betting line like he is going to c/r which is another blatant tell of weakness so make the bet and he just calls

River- 9
river goes check check and I show, he had KJ

April

Total hours played- 11
Average hourly winrate- $59
Winnings- $652

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 360.5
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $6362
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04-04-2012 , 01:01 AM
LOLlivepokerz
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04-04-2012 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake Stanton
this is not really true... avoiding marginal situations reduces variance. which would mean a lower ROI since your giving up a little by avoiding these spots.
This is completely wrong. Dhc is right. Go run some sims and play around with WR and std dev.

Dhc, OP is on a fairly short roll atm, so while playing a looser, higher WR style is much better long term, it increases his std dev significantly and in turn greatly increases his short term ROR, which is something that must be taken into account in this situation.

OP, nice to see you are playing longer sessions these days and doing pretty well. Add another 15 or 20 hours to that montly average and you will get that 33% every month
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04-04-2012 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Today's Results- $189 in 6 hrs

The table was good today, I played well. I ran bad in a couple big pots but managed to take down this one.

I'm in lp and pick up AJ, a loose player has raised to 12 over a couple limps, I call along with 4 others

Flop- J53
pfr bets 50 I raise to 150, the rest fold he calls and says "I've flopped 2p I'm not going anywhere" This definitely shows weakness

Turn- Q
He checks and as I slide 200 toward the pot villain quickly brings up 400 close to the betting line like he is going to c/r which is another blatant tell of weakness so make the bet and he just calls

River- 9
river goes check check and I show, he had KJ

April

Total hours played- 11
Average hourly winrate- $59
Winnings- $652

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 360.5
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $6362
This guy's hand is basically face up, and he seems bad enough for you to make a 1/2 pot river bet or get the rest of his chips.
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04-05-2012 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
This is completely wrong. Dhc is right. Go run some sims and play around with WR and std dev.
huh? you say i'm wrong and Dhc is right and then you go and say...

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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
Dhc, OP is on a fairly short roll atm, so while playing a looser, higher WR style is much better long term, it increases his std dev significantly and in turn greatly increases his short term ROR, which is something that must be taken into account in this situation.
which is it? lol

always good to cover all bases.
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04-05-2012 , 03:42 PM
Today's Results- -$141 in 8 hrs

Two rounds into the session I stacked off with an overpair in a straddled pot. I think it would have been fine vs an average villain but against this guy I have to fold the flop to the huge c/r because he is virtually never bluffing and all I have is a bluff catcher.

I made a weird fold when I 3bet pretty big from the sb with AKo and got instantly 4bet jammed on, that was the first time I'd seen him do it all session so I felt it had to be QQ+ and probably kings or aces. He had just got his food and people usually don't run big bluffs while eating. I tank folded.

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Originally Posted by DonkeyCopter
This guy's hand is basically face up, and he seems bad enough for you to make a 1/2 pot river bet or get the rest of his chips.
I had 230 left on the river and the pot is about 800. I think going all in on the river is okay given his passive line. I opted to check back because all the missed draws can't call and KJ is probably close to the worst made hand he can call with, there are plenty of hands that have me beat.

April

Total hours played- 19
Average hourly winrate- $27
Winnings- $511

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 368.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $6221

Last edited by pure_aggression; 04-05-2012 at 03:58 PM.
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04-06-2012 , 06:00 AM
Today's Results- $244 in 4 hrs

I played a funny hand today where there was an all in for 63 I make it 163 otb with AQ, a loose player who I doubled up earlier with bad bluff calls with 110 behind Flop comes KJ3, he checks I shove he folds 88 I win the side pot, board runs out and shorty wins the main with 77.

April

Total hours played- 23
Average hourly winrate- $33
Winnings- $755

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 372.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $6465
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04-06-2012 , 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Today's Results- -$141 in 8 hrs

Two rounds into the session I stacked off with an overpair in a straddled pot. I think it would have been fine vs an average villain but against this guy I have to fold the flop to the huge c/r because he is virtually never bluffing and all I have is a bluff catcher.

I made a weird fold when I 3bet pretty big from the sb with AKo and got instantly 4bet jammed on, that was the first time I'd seen him do it all session so I felt it had to be QQ+ and probably kings or aces. He had just got his food and people usually don't run big bluffs while eating. I tank folded.



I had 230 left on the river and the pot is about 800. I think going all in on the river is okay given his passive line. I opted to check back because all the missed draws can't call and KJ is probably close to the worst made hand he can call with, there are plenty of hands that have me beat.

April

Total hours played- 19
Average hourly winrate- $27
Winnings- $511

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 368.5
Average hourly winrate- $17
Winnings- $6221
assuming you were playing at the oaks, isnt the max bet 200? If so, you should never 3b/fold AK if they are only in for 200 more.

I wouldnt recommend 3b/folding AK for <75 BBs ever (unless like 3 people go all in) and I usually dont fold it for <100bbs

Also, even vs QQ youre about 45% and vs KK youre 30%ish AND you have blockers vs AA/KK so mostly his range is QQ-TT and some frustrated AQ/AJs and AK hands
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04-06-2012 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
assuming you were playing at the oaks, isnt the max bet 200? If so, you should never 3b/fold AK if they are only in for 200 more.

I wouldnt recommend 3b/folding AK for <75 BBs ever (unless like 3 people go all in) and I usually dont fold it for <100bbs

Also, even vs QQ youre about 45% and vs KK youre 30%ish AND you have blockers vs AA/KK so mostly his range is QQ-TT and some frustrated AQ/AJs and AK hands
It was a very marginal spot and I usually get it in with 60 bbs but I got 4bet cold by an old passive guy. I also got him to talk and I could tell he had QQ+ almost certainly. I have 31% equity vs that range and I needed 34% to make the call so it was pretty much a hero fold. He didn't show but the last 2 times a folded queens pf villains showed aces.
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04-06-2012 , 03:00 PM
good fold with AKo. people fall in love with that hand. we're not playing a tournament. we're playing a cash game. we can wait for a better spot.

i got 4-bet the other night, then 5-bet (by a shortstack who I was calling) with two players left to act if i called. sure enough, i fold and the guy who 4-bet had KK.

at $1/$2 in particular, unless you know your opponent extremely well, i'm willing to say that anyone who plays back at me with a 4-bet has AK beat.
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04-06-2012 , 03:04 PM
old nits!!!!

Gotta hate em!
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04-06-2012 , 07:30 PM
Awesome thread. Just finished reading through everything. I'm subscribed now. I'm about to start running up a live roll also starting at $1/2. Will prob start a thread similiar to this one. GL!
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04-07-2012 , 03:11 AM
Today's Results- $373 in 5.5 hrs

I've been losing a ton of money with kings lately, lost the last 3 aipf hands vs AK twice and today vs AQs . Atleast I don't have to worry that my action has dried up here at the Oaks. So I manage to dig out of the $400 hole and take down a few big pots with queens vs ?? and aces vs queens and q7s.

In the hand with aces I bet the flop and get raised and tanked for a little bit then said "I'm all in", it appears villain didn't put out enough chips in the pot for a min raise it was about $40 off. Some players not in the hand mentioned it but the dealer looked oblivious. I didn't really want to speak up while villain was deciding wether to call as it would probably kill potential action she had about 200 left. She folded and I didn't feel like making a big deal about it so I didn't press the issue and tipped the dealer anyways. It is good business to not tap the tank.

April

Total hours played- 29
Average hourly winrate- $39
Winnings- $1127

2012 YTD

Total hours played- 378
Average hourly winrate- $18
Winnings- $6837
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