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Old 07-13-2014, 05:31 AM   #201
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re: Grinding past the fries

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guy that beats nl200/500 gives you free advice and you tell him to get lost. smh

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Why so rude? He gave you decent, genuine and helpful advice on how to play a hand better.
There's a world of difference between how his advice comes across and how Mzbourg or Yoshimii's posts (just 2 examples) come across. If he wants to give proper advice I'd be very grateful, as we're all trying to get better so we can win more, right? Maybe I shouldn't have told him to finger his bumhole elsewhere, that was quite rude...

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What do you do if the river is a bad card, which is the most likely occurrence? You lose value or get stacked?
Probably, yeah. Ok everyone I admit defeat I shouldn't x/b turn!
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Old 07-14-2014, 07:07 PM   #202
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Been an interesting few days! Over the weekend I played a lot of poker, and as ever I lost a fair bit playing vs the fish. Ran really badly but that changed half way thru and I was able to crush last night and all day today. My roll at the start of the weekend was $1450, and after dipping as low as $850 it's now back up to $1450. I must've lost about $300 or so playing MTTs tho; a little bit of rustiness but almost every MTT I played over the past 2 days has ended due to a pre-flop cooler or some gross beat elsewhere. I really want to continue MTTs on the side, but I think I'll wait until I'm in a better shape financially, coz $300 is not to be sniffed at just now. Re-blocking them from the client!

Because I was playing late at night I'll just skip the daily graphs and post my monthly one so far...



Not bad if I do say so myself still a few weeks to go. I'm trying to make 5kfpp's every day this week so upping the volume. Some hands from Saturday when I was running really badly...

Didn't even realise I was beat after the river 'til the chips slid across to him... - http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...016_EBE87E4B6A

Bleugh - http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...669_6CC5A19CC0

Valuecut myself hard here, didn't ever think he had a flush!

    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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    BTN: $62.96 (125.9 bb)
    SB: $80.96 (161.9 bb)
    BB: $111.95 (223.9 bb)
    UTG: $53.50 (107 bb)
    Hero (MP): $66.72 (133.4 bb)
    CO: $117.12 (234.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 9
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO folds, BTN calls $1.25, SB calls $1, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3.25, BTN calls $3.25, SB folds

    Flop: ($14.75) 2 9 7 (3 players)
    BB bets $10, Hero calls $10, BTN folds

    Turn: ($34.75) A (2 players)
    BB bets $20, Hero raises to $52.22 and is all-in, BB calls $32.22

    River: ($139.19) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Not much to say about this one, just a cooler.

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      BTN: $103.24 (206.5 bb)
      SB: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      BB: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      UTG: $40.10 (80.2 bb)
      Hero (MP): $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      CO: $67 (134 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A 5
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO calls $1.25, 3 folds

      Flop: ($3.25) K 7 T (2 players)
      Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

      Turn: ($7.25) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

      River: ($15.25) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero raises to $20.50, CO raises to $59.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $23 and is all-in

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      So after a bit of a slog all weekend I'm breakeven after MTTs. 75,858 fpps too, hopefully get that $1600 in less than 5 days. I've made 13k fpps in the last 3 days lol.
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      Old 07-14-2014, 07:41 PM   #203
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      **** me, 5k FPPs in a day? I don't make that some months!
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      Old 07-15-2014, 07:43 AM   #204
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      A5cc hand, I would bet turn bigger. Out of curiosity what's the difference in winrate you have between zoom and reg tables?
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      Old 07-15-2014, 11:55 AM   #205
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      **** me, 5k FPPs in a day? I don't make that some months!
      Lol srs? What's your VIP level? How many hands do you play a month??

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      A5cc hand, I would bet turn bigger. Out of curiosity what's the difference in winrate you have between zoom and reg tables?
      Yeah whenever I look back at my hands my turn sizings are always too small. I'm not sure what the difference is but I hold my own at Zoom tables and get humped usually at the regular tables!

      Pish day today.



      Started off really well then I called down with AA when it was fairly obvious I was beat and I literally never recovered. Ran hot and cold and a bit spewy (although not as much as I'm down for the day). Not one all in pre cooler in my favour in 6k hands, not one! Volume was good tho, happy with that. A couple of quick hands...

      A weird hand, I think it's played okay by us. Trying to boat up on the turn and fairly certain we're behind when the reg jams the river.

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        BTN: $39.39 (78.8 bb)
        Hero (SB): $93.99 (188 bb)
        BB: $48.65 (97.3 bb)
        UTG: $27.08 (54.2 bb)
        MP: $47.05 (94.1 bb)
        CO: $52.80 (105.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with J 8
        UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds

        Flop: ($4.50) J 2 J (4 players)
        Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $4.30, CO calls $4.30, Hero calls $4.30, UTG folds

        Turn: ($17.40) 6 (3 players)
        Hero checks, MP bets $4.50, CO calls $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

        River: ($30.90) Q (3 players)
        Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $43 and is all-in, 2 folds

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        Bleugh

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          Hero (BTN): $42.84 (171.4 bb)
          SB: $40.86 (163.4 bb)
          BB: $11.23 (44.9 bb)
          UTG: $27.67 (110.7 bb)
          MP: $28.51 (114 bb)
          CO: $25 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
          3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

          Flop: ($1.45) 3 T 9 (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

          Turn: ($3.05) K (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

          River: ($6.65) K (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $11.10, Hero calls $7.10

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          And lastly a good one for us! Pre is way loose but the guy's a fkn maniac.

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            BTN: $58.29 (116.6 bb)
            SB: $52.22 (104.4 bb)
            Hero (BB): $50.50 (101 bb)
            UTG: $59.39 (118.8 bb)
            MP: $82.11 (164.2 bb)
            CO: $89.23 (178.5 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with T 9
            2 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50

            Flop: ($6.25) 2 Q 5 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO checks

            Turn: ($6.25) 4 (2 players)
            Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

            River: ($14.25) 6 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $21, Hero raises to $43.50 and is all-in, CO calls $22.50

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            All in all a poor day. Pretty gutted coz my roll was almost where it should be, and now it's back down to $1150. 79,584 fpps and a whopping $1915 Zoom profit in the first half of the month! Got golf tomorrow so volume's gonna be smaller, hopefully a better $ return!
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            Old 07-15-2014, 12:24 PM   #206
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            Gl man nice work ethic/volume, and nice results this month

            we played a hand together earlier today at zoom where you check/jammed river as a bluff on a bdfd runout with a flush blocker, thought it was an interesting hand, dno if you recall it but i almost folded fwiw
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            Old 07-15-2014, 12:29 PM   #207
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            huge percentage of hands you post here are misplayed pretty badly
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            Old 07-15-2014, 12:47 PM   #208
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            Gl man nice work ethic/volume, and nice results this month

            we played a hand together earlier today at zoom where you check/jammed river as a bluff on a bdfd runout with a flush blocker, thought it was an interesting hand, dno if you recall it but i almost folded fwiw
            Hey yeah I remember it! You had AK and I had A9, yeah? I thought I could make you fold a set/2 pair! Nice call tho

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            Old 07-15-2014, 01:06 PM   #209
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            Hey yeah I remember it! You had AK and I had A9, yeah? I thought I could make you fold a set/2 pair! Nice call tho
            Exactly yeah thanks man, I wanted to fold because nobody bluffs like this at nl50 (or so I thought :P) but your line didn't make a whole lot of sense for value either since you c/c'ed turn, and I remembered reading your blog on here and figured you might be one of the few nl50 players tricky enough to jam river as a bluff. Thought you might have like QdQx but Ax9d makes sense as well
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            Hey yeah I remember it! You had AK and I had A9, yeah? I thought I could make you fold a set/2 pair! Nice call tho
            Post hand pls
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            Old 07-15-2014, 01:29 PM   #211
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              Hero (BTN): $52.39 (104.8 bb)
              SB: $121.91 (243.8 bb)
              BB: $56.16 (112.3 bb)
              UTG: $44.48 (89 bb)
              MP: $50 (100 bb)
              CO: $50.75 (101.5 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
              2 folds, CO raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, 2 folds

              Flop: ($3.25) 6 4 2 (2 players)
              CO bets $2, Hero calls $2

              Turn: ($7.25) A (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $4.50, CO calls $4.50

              River: ($16.25) K (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $11, CO raises to $43 and is all-in, Hero calls $32

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              Old 07-15-2014, 01:31 PM   #212
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              huge percentage of hands you post here are misplayed pretty badly
              Hey buddy, I know who of you and you are obviously a better player than I am (not being sarcastic). You mention that a couple of the hands posted are pretty bad. I would love it if you could take the time to quote one or two and tell me in a constructive way what's wrong with it and how it could be played better? Maybe you could also quote 1 that is wp (if you can find one lol) and tell me why. Cheers buddy.
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              Exactly yeah thanks man, I wanted to fold because nobody bluffs like this at nl50 (or so I thought :P) but your line didn't make a whole lot of sense for value either since you c/c'ed turn, and I remembered reading your blog on here and figured you might be one of the few nl50 players tricky enough to jam river as a bluff. Thought you might have like QdQx but Ax9d makes sense as well
              Haha don't feel like you have to explain the call! Just feel awful that I tilted hard for 10 mins after that
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              Old 07-15-2014, 03:07 PM   #213
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              Good call with AKs.

              Bad bluff with A9, you wouldn't play flush draw on turn this way.

              Also bet turn urself.
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              Checking turn is pretty reasonable with the 9d but I wouldn't cbet this.
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              Old 07-15-2014, 04:33 PM   #215
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              yeah you'd bet turn with a flush draw. and no one at 50nl is going to fold a set or 2 pair on that board.
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              Old 07-15-2014, 05:02 PM   #216
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              Yoshimii, when we bet turn villain will flat. What do we do OTR. x/c or just x/f?

              TDF - how come you don't c-bet flop? Don't we pick up the pot so often on this board, as people aren't floating much at 50nl? Or are they?

              SmokeyB - noted, cheers. I think the fact that I'd continue on turn with a f/d is key to why the bluff never got thru!

              I thought the hand thru and thought it was very unlikely that villain had a flush as played. I just think we're never good OTR and the only way we can get villain off his hand is to x/jam. Villain said himself he was very close to folding. He timed down to the last second (slowroll ha).
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              commented on like 4-5 hands but accidentally deleted lol so i just summarize quickly

              - your sizings are too small a huge percentage of the time
              - you seems to flat early opens and 3bets w/ dominated hands too often
              - fps(the turn check with the nuts when half the deck kills your action on river is just horrendous)
              - not value-betting thin enough

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                Hero (BTN): $42.84 (171.4 bb)
                SB: $40.86 (163.4 bb)
                BB: $11.23 (44.9 bb)
                UTG: $27.67 (110.7 bb)
                MP: $28.51 (114 bb)
                CO: $25 (100 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with T T
                3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

                Flop: ($1.45) 3 T 9 (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

                Turn: ($3.05) K (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

                River: ($6.65) K (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises to $11.10, Hero calls $7.10

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                sizing very meh again as usual
                also hate just flatting the river check/raise as you are beat by sooooooo few combos that he has to call worse extremely rarely for re-raising still being the better option
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                Old 07-15-2014, 05:09 PM   #218
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                Think people tend to defend close to appropriately by the time we get to 50z (not reg tables though lol), this hand doesn't really fold out anything better (as seen), doesn't have much equity when called compared to many other hands and I don't want to cbet 100% in this spot (can probably cbet like 80% but this is close to the worst hand in your range to cbet IMO).
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                Yoshimii, when we bet turn villain will flat. What do we do OTR. x/c or just x/f?

                TDF - how come you don't c-bet flop? Don't we pick up the pot so often on this board, as people aren't floating much at 50nl? Or are they?

                SmokeyB - noted, cheers. I think the fact that I'd continue on turn with a f/d is key to why the bluff never got thru!

                I thought the hand thru and thought it was very unlikely that villain had a flush as played. I just think we're never good OTR and the only way we can get villain off his hand is to x/jam. Villain said himself he was very close to folding. He timed down to the last second (slowroll ha).
                I don't like XC river so XF. People don't turn TT into bluff here Imo.

                ^TDA makes a good point that I hadn't thought about.

                TJ as an example would be a better hand than A9 to cbet here (correct me if I am wrong) on this board because villain folds hands like KJ but is alot more likely to continue with AT+ hands.
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                SmokeyB - noted, cheers. I think the fact that I'd continue on turn with a f/d is key to why the bluff never got thru!

                I thought the hand thru and thought it was very unlikely that villain had a flush as played. I just think we're never good OTR and the only way we can get villain off his hand is to x/jam. Villain said himself he was very close to folding. He timed down to the last second (slowroll ha).
                I think that's not great thinking, XR shoving just because you think there are not many Flushes in his range because you don't think what you are repping.

                First think about ur range and what you rep in combo's and then his range.

                This case you only thought about his and I would have called river shove also. Looks like FOS after you XC turn because I never put you on a flush.
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                Old 07-16-2014, 02:20 AM   #221
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                Thanks everyone for your analysis and thought process, very interesting stuff. Will take that into today, especially the c-betting & calling range with dominated hands.
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                Old 07-16-2014, 06:47 AM   #222
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                how big a difference do you have in win rates between nl25 & nl50?
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                Old 07-16-2014, 03:03 PM   #223
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                ^ I'm not really sure. I just play ABC on the 2x25nl zoom tables for volume (rakeback grinder ftw), and focus solely on the 4x50nl zoom tables, so it's not really a fair test if that makes sense. Sorry I can't be more help.



                Two crap days in a row, roll's at $900 now fml. Woke up nice and early today to get volume in, need this 100k fpp bonus ASAP, hence all the volume. No hands today. 84,010 fpps, only going for 3k tomorrow, anything else is a bonus.

                Feeling pretty scunnered after the past couple of days.
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                Old 07-16-2014, 05:58 PM   #224
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                Can I ask Gazzy how far are you above/below your EV line?
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                Old 07-16-2014, 07:02 PM   #225
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                He's like 20k above this month IMO

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