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07-12-2016 , 09:37 AM
Having the Qs isn't great either as we block some hands he's folding otr
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07-12-2016 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by cheltNAM
Don't hate the 66 we have the odds to a boat nearly off the top of my head so that's fine to do sometimes. SBs call would worry me more than MP as people don't 3 bet 77 or 88 in those positions but SB can call those sometimes. If you can remove sets from their ranges it's a fine stack off.

25 spr on the flop is so low, call his raise and go from there. People tend not to stack 40x the pot without a made hand unless you have reads he's a complete moron which he may be.
Yeah agree fully. In 25 I am basically then bluff catching and folding on any club or pairing card. Don't mind the GII if there's enough spazz in his range but I think he's pretty damn nutted always.
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07-12-2016 , 10:08 AM
^^ yeah this did cross my mind at the time. in SRPs here where ranges are super wide, im basically just guessing his range's strength otr and is something i think needs work
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07-12-2016 , 10:37 AM


First 20k hands at 25z are breakeven. Can't seem to string together two winning sessions. Plenty of coolers and setups ofc and perhaps some sub-terrific plays but think I've been playing pretty good still for the most part.

Seeing fish donate so much money and getting a decent chunk of it as well but still isn't enough at this stage.

Think I'm still a decent winner here and will just have to wait out some of this variance while working on my game and playing A-game as often as possible.
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07-12-2016 , 10:58 AM
imo you misplayed the 66 and 52 hand. You could get away from the 52 hand when fish jams and not sure I like the raise with 66 since you only really ahead of KxAh and AxAh. As played think it's a break even call.

How are showdown lines looking on that graph?
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07-12-2016 , 11:00 AM
Look at your % vs SB dunk range then look at it again when he calls/3b's your raise. As mahsjdi said it's a call. What does your red line look like
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07-12-2016 , 11:37 AM
Mahsjdi, ofc I'm not "ahead" by any significant amount here but think the EV of calling exceeds EV of folding significantly if sb has no sets (reasonable assumption imo). Pre aure if both players have made flushes even it's a call.

Red line isn't pretty but wasn't at 10NL either and I'm not concerned about it.
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07-12-2016 , 11:57 AM
What's the obsession with red line? I just don't get it?
And Meale mate, what woked at nl10 will work at nl 25. This is just a bad period.

glgl
boomswitch on its way im telling yaaa

Edit: Looking at 25 hand again, I like stacking enough less and less (+1 to Cheltnam)

Last edited by ChipsNcrisps; 07-12-2016 at 11:59 AM. Reason: of the x
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07-12-2016 , 11:59 AM
Ya I used to be obsessed with it but thank God I'm done with that.
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07-12-2016 , 12:40 PM
Red line doesn't have to be positive or anything, but having a red line that shoots down means you are either not bluffing enough or giving up too frequently in small pots through autopiloting, or both

And OP dw going BE. I had 30k hands at 25nl end with -30bi's where every line (even blue) were below BE by a good amount. It's poker
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07-12-2016 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by meale
Mahsjdi, ofc I'm not "ahead" by any significant amount here but think the EV of calling exceeds EV of folding significantly if sb has no sets (reasonable assumption imo). Pre aure if both players have made flushes even it's a call.

Red line isn't pretty but wasn't at 10NL either and I'm not concerned about it.
Who said anything about folding? I said or was trying to say call asplayed.

Also I asked for showdown because if redline is bad it could be a sign of playing too wide or weak or not bluffing enough etc etc
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07-12-2016 , 01:28 PM
My red line literally shoots down and I'm doing more than fine after 100K hands!

But I could just be a fish on heater tho.
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07-12-2016 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
My red line literally shoots down and I'm doing more than fine after 100K hands!

But I could just be a fish on heater tho.
A shooting red line doesn't mean you are bad; you can still crush with one. However, if you worked on your red line, I guarantee you that your winrate would improve substantially, depending on how bad it was to begin with.
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07-12-2016 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
My red line literally shoots down and I'm doing more than fine after 100K hands!

But I could just be a fish on heater tho.
What's the redline winrate? and your greenline winrate?
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07-13-2016 , 03:40 AM
vs fish

is meh i think
    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37390553

    BTN: $80.59 (322.4 bb)
    SB: $6.46 (25.8 bb)
    BB: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $26.27 (105.1 bb)
    MP: $53.51 (214 bb)
    CO: $24.01 (96 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
    Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 4 folds

    Flop: ($1.85) 6 J 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1

    Turn: ($3.85) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $3, Hero calls $3

    River: ($9.85) 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

    Spoiler:
    Results: $19.35 pot ($0.87 rake)
    Final Board: 6 J 8 K 2
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-$9.50 net)
    MP showed 6 6 and won $18.48 ($8.98 net)



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    07-13-2016 , 07:04 AM
    vs. fish I'd just start betting.

    nh though I'm not folding.
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    07-13-2016 , 07:11 AM
    Actually posted wrong hh. This was vs a reg. Also posted this in uNL
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    07-13-2016 , 07:44 AM
    basically depends on his cc range then to know if he has enough bluffs. most will have bout 3-5 so u can exploit that.

    flops g
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    07-13-2016 , 07:47 AM
    Ya I think betting 3 times returns more vs fish. Never folding river tho
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    07-13-2016 , 08:25 AM
    Ya mb. Vs a 21/13/4 I think
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    07-13-2016 , 09:13 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by meale
    Ya mb. Vs a 21/13/4 I think
    Not folding.
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    07-14-2016 , 12:45 AM
    Aids run continues...

    Just **** like this happening all day long rly, v 23/19/7.4, sizing pre slightly too small

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37391405

      BTN: $31.42 (125.7 bb)
      Hero (SB): $32.85 (131.4 bb)
      BB: $49.17 (196.7 bb)
      UTG: $47.90 (191.6 bb)
      MP: $100.46 (401.8 bb)
      CO: $25 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, MP calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.25) 3 T K (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $3, Hero calls $3

      Turn: ($11.25) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $6.90, Hero calls $6.90

      River: ($25.05) A (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $20.50, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $25.05 pot ($1.13 rake)
      Final Board: 3 T K K A
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$12.40 net)
      MP mucked and won $23.92 ($11.52 net)



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      same **** again...

        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37391406

        BTN: $25.65 (102.6 bb)
        Hero (SB): $34.44 (137.8 bb)
        BB: $25.60 (102.4 bb)
        UTG: $7.96 (31.8 bb)
        MP: $58.52 (234.1 bb)
        CO: $45.52 (182.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
        UTG calls $0.25, MP folds, CO raises to $1.10, BTN folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, CO calls $2.40

        Flop: ($7.50) J K 9 (2 players)
        Hero bets $3.58, CO calls $3.58

        Turn: ($14.66) T (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $7, Hero calls $7

        River: ($28.66) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, CO bets $20.50, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $28.66 pot ($1.29 rake)
        Final Board: J K 9 T 6
        Hero mucked J J and lost (-$14.08 net)
        CO mucked and won $27.37 ($13.29 net)



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        Times 3...

          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37391407

          BTN: $21.44 (85.8 bb)
          SB: $24.75 (99 bb)
          BB: $22.35 (89.4 bb)
          Hero (UTG): $34.14 (136.6 bb)
          MP: $27.23 (108.9 bb)
          CO: $62.09 (248.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is UTG with J J
          Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 4 folds

          Flop: ($1.85) T 4 5 (2 players)
          Hero bets $1, MP calls $1

          Turn: ($3.85) 4 (2 players)
          Hero bets $2.24, MP calls $2.24

          River: ($8.33) 3 (2 players)
          Hero checks, MP bets $6.25, Hero folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $8.33 pot ($0.37 rake)
          Final Board: T 4 5 4 3
          Hero mucked J J and lost (-$3.99 net)
          MP mucked and won $7.96 ($3.97 net)



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          And vs 19/13 think this is good

            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37391408

            BTN: $26.14 (104.6 bb)
            SB: $40.27 (161.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
            UTG: $38.47 (153.9 bb)
            MP: $24.70 (98.8 bb)
            CO: $7.47 (29.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 K
            4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

            Flop: ($0.50) 3 J K (2 players)
            SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

            Turn: ($1.30) J (2 players)
            SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

            River: ($3.10) 4 (2 players)
            SB bets $3.81, Hero folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $3.10 pot ($0.14 rake)
            Final Board: 3 J K J 4
            SB mucked and won $2.96 ($1.41 net)
            Hero mucked 8 K and lost (-$1.55 net)



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            07-14-2016 , 01:30 AM
            JJ fold on Tx44 board seems weak. Would think it's a bet, fold.
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            07-14-2016 , 01:41 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by meale
            Just **** like this happening all day long rly, v 23/19/7.4, sizing pre slightly too small

              Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37391405

              BTN: $31.42 (125.7 bb)
              Hero (SB): $32.85 (131.4 bb)
              BB: $49.17 (196.7 bb)
              UTG: $47.90 (191.6 bb)
              MP: $100.46 (401.8 bb)
              CO: $25 (100 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
              UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB folds, MP calls $1.75

              Flop: ($5.25) 3 T K (2 players)
              Hero checks, MP bets $3, Hero calls $3

              Turn: ($11.25) K (2 players)
              Hero checks, MP bets $6.90, Hero calls $6.90

              River: ($25.05) A (2 players)
              Hero checks, MP bets $20.50, Hero folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $25.05 pot ($1.13 rake)
              Final Board: 3 T K K A
              Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$12.40 net)
              MP mucked and won $23.92 ($11.52 net)



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              Most hands are well played, so nothing you can do about it. Making good folds is good for your winrate too.

              Only KQo is debatable I think. I don't see the point in 3b-ing KQo 130bb deep against a 23/19. Besides these stats I have nothing to work with, but I can imagine that his RFI @CO isn't that much out of line when I see 23/19. We obv risk getting SQ by the BB, but at 25z that doesn't happen too often.

              Postflop seems ok, think with this KQ combo (Qd) XC seems fine. I am really curious about other thoughts tho.

              How did you like the Maceo plex@Iglofest set
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              07-14-2016 , 02:37 AM
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              JJ fold on Tx44 board seems weak. Would think it's a bet, fold.
              I think it's the easiest fold imo. What bluffs/weaker hands can I get value from? AT prob folds to a triple and/or checks behind on the river once we x.

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              I don't see the point in 3b-ing KQo 130bb deep against a 23/19.
              Yeah, tbh I usually flat this here esp if fish/nit in BB. Checked again and had a reg in BB so I think that made me more inclined to bluff pre. I think KQo functions reasonably well as a bluff 130 deep too since we expect to retain a range advantage most of the time or at least have it be relatively neutral in terms of equity.

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              Postflop seems ok, think with this KQ combo (Qd) XC seems fine. I am really curious about other thoughts tho.
              But ye I agree if anything isn't played particularly well about this hand it's pre. Post I don't think there's much else we can do either.

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              How did you like the Maceo plex@Iglofest set
              Decent. But wasn't able to get me a winning session. :P THIS one however did last night :P



              ps dude wtf is the BBcode to embed yt vids lmao?

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