you seem to be overestimating the playability of AQo

Like I said there is not much he ever calls with you get any value from post-flop. I think I've said my piece on this now! GL to you and OP!

lol ok then, I mean 8% isn't like QQ+ only - but of course flatting is fine - I think the important thing is that OP had a reason for flatting rather than just saying "I'm afraid of an 8% open range" - so the argument was OP didn't want to 3 bet this range and would rather flat with the assumption that more profit would be made vs fish if he does hit - But something about this line of thinking seems irrational - Perhaps if an A or Q does hit, UTG range is still going to have him dominated a large portion of the time - And so with that said, OP couldn't get value from the fish because he'd be getting value towned instead.

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Originally Posted by EaziiMoniezz View Post
What do you guys do ott? Hand is vs 1 tabling fish no stats


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2975645
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $144.17
SB: $95.11
BB: $89.60
UTG: $109.46
MP: $67.25
CO: $25.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.25, 1 fold, BB calls $4.75, UTG calls $3.75

Flop: ($16.00) 8 8 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $7.75, BB calls $7.75, UTG folds

Turn: ($31.50) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18.75, BB raises to $37.50

Why is he/ she a fish?

Didn't see this get answered and it's exactly what I would have asked (if you have reads we need to know them to answer the question).

Apologies if it got covered already, have only time to scan the thread quickly

You showed big strength 3betting an UTG open, betting strong on flop into 2 players and strong again on turn. I doubt a 1 tabling fish would check raise turn with a hand that doesn't beat you.

IF his opponent was actually a fish is he not just as likely to overplay 99-jj on this board? But since op doesn't have any stats on opponent we can't really say he is a fish can we. Could be a really solid player who disguised aa or kk well could it not? He could also be repping a8 for all we know. Since we don't really know anything about opponent any guess on what he is has is just speculative.

I'm only going by what OP told me and OP said he was a fish. A fish wouldn't raise 99-JJ on the turn, they would just call. I think this is just an exploitative fold against an unknown at 50nl zoom.

its an exploitative fold against most fishes at any stakes really, they do the same exact thing at high stakes

You'll lose a lot of money to fish who check-raise turns being paranoid about that one time you saw one do it without a nut hand.

This.

Mini update.

50z has pretty much been a joke. Every time I decide to value bet villain folds and every time I decide to bluff villain calls. This hands literally perfectly sums up how I've been running. I have a good hand but villain just has a better one.

Vs aggro villain reg who 4bets alot. I definitly thought villain would be 4betting wider pre since I have been 3betting villain very often. Think calling might be better preflop since I have been 3betting quite high vs this guy and there is a fish in SB

Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2976304
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Hero (BTN): $64.42
SB: $41.65 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 18, 3B: 1, AF: 1.0, Hands: 229
BB: $63.08 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 3.4, Hands: 192
UTG: $52.52 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 11, AF: 3.9, Hands: 1041
MP: $359.96 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 20, 3B: 8, AF: 3.8, Hands: 548
CO: $50.81 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 8.5, Hands: 300

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with J T
1 fold, MP raises to $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, 2 folds, MP raises to $9.50, Hero calls $5.75

Flop: ($19.75) 3 T 4 (2 players)
MP bets $6.94, Hero calls $6.94

Turn: ($33.63) T (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($33.63) 8 (2 players)
MP bets $15.00, Hero raises to $47.98, MP calls $32.98



I will show graphs and stuff at end of the month

^^

That's butchered mate.

I hate preflop, maybe some won't. But the river...wtf? What do you think a good reg is bet/calling with here?

548 hands 4bet stat convergence??

Mental game issue?

aahahha,good reason to 3bet pre then I guess...

You butchered pretty much every street in that hand.

Obviously I won't be commenting on any hands you have played.
I just want to say the following.
You suck. You butcher every hand and I don't understand how you even have a bankroll.

Last hand seems to be highly misplayed..

Why are you even 3betting there unless it's a very TIGHT player who you can steal from..

You should snap fold and move on. You seem to be invested to much in "sexy" hands.. like J10S. Looks cool to play, but realistically you're crushed often.. especially in this spot.

His range on the 4bet really should be AKs and QQ+ most likely KK+ like a lot of regulars @25NL.

Call is speculative on flop, yes you flopped top pair.. but are you EVER good after he raises like that? Are you hoping he has AK??

Turn is just an amazing card for you.. You have to assess his range.. You got yourself in this sticky spot in the first place.. I wouldn't check back here ever.. I'd put a raise in (assuming we cap bottom of range at AK). Might get fold from AK, and that sucks for you but.. that is the bottom of his range. He doesn't put you on a 10 here (probably AK+ as well) so you need to fire a bet here, he will call with overpairs and you get value.

The fact you checked back forced him to bet on the river to try and cap his value, you should flat and move on. You have to put a 4bet/call range at AK+.. you got coolered in sorts.. but you deserved it because you shouldn't of been involved in the hand in the first place. You should of folded once he 4bet, and moved on.


sorry, this is my analysis of the situation. Prefer others comments.

This is a very good point to consider op. You 3 bet with a marginal hand knowing full well your opponent 4 bets often. What were you going to do if he did 4 bet? Calling a 4 bet would just be the worst so it would be either a fold or 5 bet and do you really want to do that?

Nobody folds anything in this spot unless one of the players is a complete nit, and Tx is a tiny part of villains range. No need to fear monsters under the bed here, a lot more good than bad things will happen when we jam.

River is a very easy slam dunk jam.

Um, did OP just flat a 4 bet IP with 100 BB stacks with J10s and then check the turn?

as played, jamming the river is wp, but fold pre flop but I know you won't listen to this advice.

Also I am assuming your assessment of villain's 4 bet stat is very inaccurate as 500 hands is not a big enough sample - But then you say you are 3 betting them with the 'knowledge' that they 4 bet wide...that's when you plan ahead to either fold or 5 bet JAM but J10s isn't the best hand to 5 bet jam bluff - Use a suited A or something like 88 or 99, maybe even a strong K like KQ or KJ if you want to go even wider.

Are you trying to be obnoxious?

hand is fine, a lot of streets are debatable, but fine regardless.
JTs looks like a hand we can 3-bet big with, when slightly deep, right?

read the whole thing mate...its only the b/c part of his range we are interested in, and that is going to be a tiny part of his range.

Well, I'm not sure. Are you?

I'm pretty sure you know what he meant by that comment.