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05-05-2017 , 07:26 AM
Well we all know Fayth loves cucks.
05-05-2017 , 08:49 AM
in
05-05-2017 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckN0rris
Agree, people are excited the thread is back, but it's not up to speed yet, not even close!

Let's go champ! let do this, You set the bar pretty high in your first run, It's about time for that long update post now.
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Originally Posted by dg4
would you be interested in xbooking some upcoming 500z results between us?
my sn is foursixfour
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Originally Posted by pontylad
If this thread is to get back to its best we need 2 power rankings.

top 5 500z regs.

top 5 500z regs that over rate how good they are.

Not interested. I haven't played Poker. I'm out of touch with it. I'm still busy with RL and I'll be offline for 2 weeks midMay. I'm sure I'll happily take props against anyone once the time is right. I won't rank until I'm back to consistency, good performance and have results to back that up.

I know the thread doesn't have a kickstart comeback. Maybe it's bad timing .. I don't speak about private stuff so it's hard to talk around it. But it's time for me to let go of some things IRL and focus on myself and the best way for me to do so is to commit to things in Poker. That's why I reopened the thread.

I'm still the best. But I fought some battles the past few months and I need time to nourish me wounds before I get back to competition. None of this is pokerrelated. I know that's not what any of you want to hear. All of you are in for the sweats and banter I get that but this is what it is for now. Part of the game.
05-05-2017 , 12:05 PM
Best poker gnc thread ever!
05-05-2017 , 01:38 PM
Ok, seems like we need to induce abit here...

So your boyfriend dumped you? Sorry to hear!
05-05-2017 , 03:43 PM
oh Jason became soft
05-05-2017 , 04:15 PM
a wild cuck appeared
05-05-2017 , 09:41 PM
Disappointing Jason very disappointing.

Thoughts on richard shiels success recently?
05-05-2017 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Fayth
oh Jason became soft
"soft" is not a word that you should be using, buddeh. Do everyone a favour and be a good little boy will ya?
05-06-2017 , 03:50 AM


Will they finally let me embed gyazo?

Yep. Okay.

+6.529,55$

Lots of study to do.
05-06-2017 , 07:45 AM
subbed, gl
05-06-2017 , 11:23 AM
why do you prefer CREV over PIO?
05-07-2017 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by day'n'night
why do you prefer CREV over PIO?
If I played more HU I'd do more PIO. If I played a smaller pool of opponents I'd do more PIO. But for the way my sessions play right now I'll use CREV and notepad for studies.
05-07-2017 , 07:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scurra
$2.50/$5Zoom No Limit Holdem
PokerStars5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG Priidix ($567.18) 113bb
CO Ch33s3z0r ($546.25) 109bb
BTN Sanchez_nsk ($661.79) 132bb
SB ModestBoy ($1,408.71) 282bb
BB Hero ($505) 101bb
Pre-Flop: (7.50, 5 players) Hero is BB 5 9

1 fold, Ch33s3z0r raises to $15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $50, Ch33s3z0r calls $35

Flop: 9 K J ($102.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, Ch33s3z0r bets $49.75, Hero calls $49.75
Turn: 6 ($202, 2)
Hero checks, Ch33s3z0r bets $120, Hero raises to $240, Ch33s3z0r calls $120
River: 2 ($682, 2)
Hero checks, Ch33s3z0r checks
Final Pot: $682
Hero shows a pair of Nines
5 9
Ch33s3z0r shows
Q A
Hero wins $679 (net +$339.25)
Ch33s3z0r lost $339.75
If you don't mind explaining, is turn checkraise a bluff? And why a minraise?
05-08-2017 , 04:43 AM
Obviously either a bluff, or he has insane reads and it's a protection raise.
Not a very interesting hand imo... it's cool villain checked down the bottom of his range but other than that this is either very read based or very button-clicky play by both players.
05-08-2017 , 05:07 AM
Because he is a clueless mug begging for fold!

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05-08-2017 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Sirrybob
Obviously either a bluff, or he has insane reads and it's a protection raise.
Not a very interesting hand imo... it's cool villain checked down the bottom of his range but other than that this is either very read based or very button-clicky play by both players.
Why do people always try so hard to exaggerate the blatancy of how a hand is played or supposed to be played. There is a mirrion different ways to play this hand and a mirrion different EV's. And all of them are at least somewhat difficult to figure out in a 20-30 second timeframe while playing other tables.

Flop is good because our hand has the EQ to play bet x/c in theory but in reality we don't know how often V will x/b turn with AQ/AT and how often he will call bet bet with those. Most people tend to shut down river after facing turnx/c but if turn blanks and we x/c and River blanks as well and we x/f 59 we don't have much reason to call any part of our river range unless we trap. I hate playing inconsistent lines and b x/c x/f in a spot where we have no idea about turn and river frequency is no good.

Obviously flopx/f is not an option. The somewhat good thing about facing bet on Flop is that people tend to overcommit with their flopbluffs in 3bet pots vs check because everybody is aware that they don't neccessarily get a lot of Flop x/f from the hands they want to fold therefor commit to double turn and then either decide that hero doesn't play x/c x/c x/f which often is the case and give up or carry through. Last part again is a problem because if we can't figure out how often Villain carries through OTR we're automatically going to make very large EV mistakes because nobody ever carries through with all of their bluffs all the time but they will always carry through with value. And you don't want to make bad rivercalls in 3bet pots. But you also don't want to make Turncalls where V continues River 80% of the times and you always x/f.

So the dilemma of the hand is that we don't really want to play b x/f # b x/c x/f # b x/c x/c # x/c x/f # x/c x/c x/c # x/c x/c x/f.

So the only line that has some benefits besides giveups is x/c x/r because 1) V will be confused. 2) V is shut down as in everybody play b/j over b/c with top of their range. So he'll isolate himself to playing b/c with a range that is forced to almost always check river (alá AQ KQ AT). 3) If V has some blank bluffs like 22 or A5bdfd he's forced to b/f.

It's just overall a very beneficial play for us. We have some foldequity. We have some equity against KQ. We get very easy riverdecisions. Especially against weaker regs. We get very easy turn decisions. And we just take away iniative and put pressure on V. Nobody wants to face turnraise with gutshot or 1pair in a 3b pot. His timebank will run. He has AQ or T8 he's gonna be confused he's gonna click call he's gonna face river check he's gonna think about jam then he realizes he has Acehi and takes check or he realizes he has T8 but then contemplates whether his valuerange jams turn and he doesn't have value OTR then gives up and checks. Has KQ doesn't want to get trapped checks river. Etc

Against stronger players this hand plays differently. I'm sure some 5k guys will simply jam KQ OTR or b/r T8 / AQ occasionally. The exploits you can play out of that are obvious.

Regardless. No idea what the EV of turnx/r is. I'm sure it's alright and much better than the other lines.

I just spewed this away so don't quote me.

Last edited by scurra; 05-08-2017 at 07:27 AM.
05-08-2017 , 10:42 AM
fold river
05-08-2017 , 11:22 AM
k
05-08-2017 , 01:27 PM
great analysis, learning a lot here, thx <3
05-08-2017 , 01:33 PM
Im tilted
05-08-2017 , 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scurra
Why do people always try so hard to exaggerate the blatancy of how a hand is played or supposed to be played. There is a mirrion different ways to play this hand and a mirrion different EV's. And all of them are at least somewhat difficult to figure out in a 20-30 second timeframe while playing other tables.

Flop is good because our hand has the EQ to play bet x/c in theory but in reality we don't know how often V will x/b turn with AQ/AT and how often he will call bet bet with those. Most people tend to shut down river after facing turnx/c but if turn blanks and we x/c and River blanks as well and we x/f 59 we don't have much reason to call any part of our river range unless we trap. I hate playing inconsistent lines and b x/c x/f in a spot where we have no idea about turn and river frequency is no good.

Obviously flopx/f is not an option. The somewhat good thing about facing bet on Flop is that people tend to overcommit with their flopbluffs in 3bet pots vs check because everybody is aware that they don't neccessarily get a lot of Flop x/f from the hands they want to fold therefor commit to double turn and then either decide that hero doesn't play x/c x/c x/f which often is the case and give up or carry through. Last part again is a problem because if we can't figure out how often Villain carries through OTR we're automatically going to make very large EV mistakes because nobody ever carries through with all of their bluffs all the time but they will always carry through with value. And you don't want to make bad rivercalls in 3bet pots. But you also don't want to make Turncalls where V continues River 80% of the times and you always x/f.

So the dilemma of the hand is that we don't really want to play b x/f # b x/c x/f # b x/c x/c # x/c x/f # x/c x/c x/c # x/c x/c x/f.

So the only line that has some benefits besides giveups is x/c x/r because 1) V will be confused. 2) V is shut down as in everybody play b/j over b/c with top of their range. So he'll isolate himself to playing b/c with a range that is forced to almost always check river (alá AQ KQ AT). 3) If V has some blank bluffs like 22 or A5bdfd he's forced to b/f.

It's just overall a very beneficial play for us. We have some foldequity. We have some equity against KQ. We get very easy riverdecisions. Especially against weaker regs. We get very easy turn decisions. And we just take away iniative and put pressure on V. Nobody wants to face turnraise with gutshot or 1pair in a 3b pot. His timebank will run. He has AQ or T8 he's gonna be confused he's gonna click call he's gonna face river check he's gonna think about jam then he realizes he has Acehi and takes check or he realizes he has T8 but then contemplates whether his valuerange jams turn and he doesn't have value OTR then gives up and checks. Has KQ doesn't want to get trapped checks river. Etc

Against stronger players this hand plays differently. I'm sure some 5k guys will simply jam KQ OTR or b/r T8 / AQ occasionally. The exploits you can play out of that are obvious.

Regardless. No idea what the EV of turnx/r is. I'm sure it's alright and much better than the other lines.

I just spewed this away so don't quote me.
Pretty next level analysis honestly. I get youre maximizing the EV of your hand pretty hard. Obviously this line can be exploited hard as well, which sacrifices EV of your range as a whole, if you dont balance this line with other hands (do you?). Thoughts on that?
05-08-2017 , 02:28 PM
The more narrow the ranges the higher the fluctuation in frequencies. Meaning balance loses all kainds of importance
05-08-2017 , 03:50 PM
Pretty cool analysis

      
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