No worries; I only clarified because I didn't want anyone to think the requests were being ignored. Not that you were implying such a thing, but someone who didn't know how it all transpired might have wondered.

No one is "letting him" - we have no idea what other accounts he has/had. Not that we play detective with every account anyway, but I would be interested to know more.

You certainly are guessing. The only reason I even know his name is Patrick is because you call him that and he hasn't disputed it. Also, I haven't taken a side.

You completely missed my point; perhaps I didn't express myself that well. Here's what I said about it:

The last question was just one example of the ways you could drive a truck through the holes in your prop bet. Here's another - he says Joe and Steve claimed you had scammed, but he only talked to them on the phone and thus can't document it.

Maybe you don't find those scenarios believable, maybe you consider them to be angles, and maybe you're right. My point was simply that it was a terrible prop bet. That's it. I don't care who wins this ridiculous prop bet, if anyone. You guys go ahead and argue about it for a few more days if you like. This thread is so full of bluster and ego, it's pretty much unreadable anyway. But lots of people seem to enjoy it, so...carry on, I guess?

Indeed.

Yeah everything said on my part. I have no interest in betting Patrick. He's a scammer and a liar. I can move on with the usual stuff. But he will come back with a novel post. Ill get triggered by his dorkiness and end up replying. Im a stupid man.

get a mod to ban him.

How can you get mad when people call you a fagg after saying stuff like this ?
I mean the orange juice is one thing already but this has to be the gayest thing i've ever read.

Jason you keep saying now im done with you patrick but it just never stops.
So can you move on for real and explain your thinking process on the KJ turn 3bet ?

I prefer checking with k8o

Where's the actual poker gone?

As for KJ

We expect V to x/r 67, 2p, set and 7/6xdd hands otf very frequently. Meaning he troubles himself when he x/r Turn since our absolute strength will be a lot higher than his. That's not neccessarily bad for specific hands he has but for his strategy.
His Turnsize 98$ is a bit high for slowplayed 2p or turnt 45. 45 doesn't make sense to x/r regardless. Basically he's set or 67 (rare) and a lot of the time on hands like Q9dd Axdd Jxdd etc.

There is 2 problems with call turn.

One: Opponent will be able to cherrypick play River. Aka there might be river he will decide to bluff almost never but always valuebet and we are forced to call. On those Rivers our Turncall EV is ruined because we call a $100 x/r Turn and then most likely a $200 river bet with 0EQ. It's important to note that V will tend to x/r 7/6x type of hands on the Flop meaning he's left with bluffs on the River that don't have any significant value blockers -> therefor decide to check. Meaning we give those hands a free River by calling instead of raising.

So this means that effectively we are realizing less equity with our KJ than we should against his bluffs. He will cherrypick play us. We will hit a River. Make a bad call. We will hit a King or Jack end up calling against his valuerange exclusively. It's just not working well.

The key thing here is that V will not be able to 4bet jam our Turn 3bet with his sets since as I said earlier our absolute handstrength is too high. Meaning V will be forced to call his sets (he will never lead River) and call his flushdraws (he will only lead Flushd Rivers which we don't care about) for a total of $210.

Now we invest $210 instead of calling a raise and a most likely -EV riverspot for a total of $300, we realize way, way more EV. We take away all iniative from Villain. He can not lead unless he binks a flush which we are indifferent to.

So to sum up. We are realizing more EV against his bluffs. We are losing less money against the rare case of him having a stronger hand. We take away all iniative from villain.

This was teh bet.

This was booked.

This needs to be paid.

I agree. For me it seems that OurSurveySays is the only confirmed scammer here.

GL OP

you just know patrick would be writing multiple posts about how jason is a scammer if he didnt bother paying up after he showed him multiple people. and he knows hes in the wrong because hes taking 500$ off in the prop bet. lol at booking it then not paying

I wouldn't call him a scammer but his attitude makes me wonder why some ppl are such negative against issuing an apology when done sthg wrong (even with best intentions), and simply ending the whole thing there.

He's been desperately trying to save a face up for 3 days now, what's the point in that? Show up, give us ur reasoning behind posting at 1st place, apologise when u see that there's no proof to be posted for all u claimed, then gtfo like a gentleman.

Sticking to playing the main clown in this whole circus, and with all audience dying for action, is just pathetic imo. Especially when facing a megalomanic personality like OP who's gonna now try to humiliate u in front of the whole community or lure u to play him HU (and fwiw I doubt I can blame him for that after being called a scammer for a couple of buy ins)


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lolz

Awesome! More of this! Thanks

goat analysis

man i felt outplayed when I read that hh

interesting, thx. more poker and less getting into virgin boy fights, and u might earn yourself the title of king after all

edit: oh, and more trashing the salty regs too of course

dis

stop the bitching

moar strat talk

moar trash talk

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Finally a PGC thread worth reading. Nothing better than poker ego wars.

Great analysis and I agree that for your reasoning it is important that you think his bluffrange contains less 7x/6x+BDFD type of hands cause you assume he will X/R them oftentimes OTF.
In this case, in fact he will not bluff due to blockers most Rivers anymore, what decreases the EV of calling the turn a lot.

But i found it hard to exactly know/quantify these sorts of things - I mean, how you really 100%can know how often he will for instance really X/r those type of hands OTF, so that EV turn3bet becomes higher than EV_Turncall?

But anyways, undoubtedly a pretty sophisticated analysis - thumbs up for it and plz more of it!

**** awesome analysis, made me hard. Gief moar

Drunk night 2 here: ok morons. Jasobs novell is stupid. But what is more stupid is u clowns sit here in geek forum thiniing NIT so fish do that reg plays GTO. U know what iam jason fan from now on he is AS " clueless AS me" but knowes how to win. Im from sweden what was ur alias u only trash talk. Big time clown. Keep feel play jason best way Yo win, seruois! We suck we win everyone wants piece of cacke.

Sorry for last night. Im 29 drunk now and have a Nice life without poker. This old wars trigger me!!!

+1

I am not convinced about the hand at all. Scurra opens 2.25 from BU. He is not supposed to have 67o in his preflop range while BB will defend it. BU has KK BB doesn't, maybe sometimes BB 3bets 88 preflop. I simply don't see what advantage scurra's range has once villain raises big on the turn. BB is representing a polarized range with a lot more straights than BU. BU has a couple sets that BB doesn't have and that's it. Doesn't look like a spot where BU wants to 3bet turn all that much to me. Also scurra said villain will always react by calling the 3bet but why? Villain can easily 4b jam his straights and bluffs on the turn, and the straight combos will be the biggest portion of BB value x/r turn range.
Also wouldn't the exploit of villain underbluffing certain rivers be never calling with our bluffcatchers? If BB really has that leak we should be happy call turn and exploit him on the river.

Anyway great blog. Love the challenge, the hands and the shots fired. Keep it up!

Turn 3bet will beat Turn bet/call by 10-20bb. Which is very significant for that potsize. You're messing this hand up because you're ignoring the fact that V opted not to x/r Flop against a 1/3 bet.

Villain can't 4bet/jam bluff Turn as all his bluffs will have higher EV calling our 3bet.

So you were stating that the reason you opted to 3bet turn is entirely exploitative because you have extremely precise reads on what villain will do, and you know for sure he will never 4b jam any bluff. You also say that he probably thinks you will be extremely value heavy (value region topset+?) by 3betting the turn. I guess I did not understand properly then, my bad. If that's the case your play does indeed make sense.
It's interesting that you make such precise reads on a low frequency spot like this. Maybe that's why you seem to win a lot. Gl in your challenge and thanks for the explaination.