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08-22-2014 , 09:36 PM
Gonna be at Sands Sept 2-5, You playing those nights? I only do 1/2 so really just curious.
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08-22-2014 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
Gonna be at Sands Sept 2-5, You playing those nights? I only do 1/2 so really just curious.
Nah doing MDL then and checking out the new baltimore room
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08-23-2014 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Uneventful 7 hours 5/T (with some 5/T/20 mixed in) session last night. Up about a buy in. This is the biggest pot I played:

QQ from the big blind

Utg raises to 35. Next guy 3bets to 140. Folds around H calls in BB with QQ. Utg says he has a nice hand and also calls. Eff 1300.

Flop ($420): 984r. H checks, UTG donk bets 240. The UTG+1 3 bettor folds. H calls.

Turn ($900): K clubs flush draw. Check check

River ($900): 4o. Check check. V shows A9dd MHIG

I thought about thin value bet on the river because when UTG said he had a nice hand, I thought he might have had a suited or connector type of hand that hit the 8 or 9 on the flop (or if he had both 89, he just got counterfeited on the river - but 89 is pretty much impossible to have here).

However given that I cold called an early 3bet from the BB, and check called on that rainbow flop (recently Ive ran into a lot of scenarios where I cold called a 3bet from the blinds, which is kind of annoying because your range becomes so narrow), there isnt much he can call with if I bet on the river. I thought I'd check/call and let him try to either bluff at it with JT/JQ/67 type hands, or value own himself by betting too thin (which surprisingly a lot of rec players still do, even in higher stake games, where it makes no sense to bet the river when they are never getting called by worse and rarely folding out better.

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Disclaimer: my pot math is approximate and may be off by $5-15 dont nag me pls
How would you have played if 3 bettor flats the flop?
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08-23-2014 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MadamIamAdam
How would you have played if 3 bettor flats the flop?
Call the flop, check fold the turn probably.
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08-25-2014 , 04:35 AM
Bet 2 sexy on tha riva
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08-25-2014 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by luvinurmoney
Bet 2 sexy on tha riva
Why?
Value bet with the likely best hand and villain isn't good enough to bluff raise?
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08-25-2014 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Why?
Value bet with the likely best hand and villain isn't good enough to bluff raise?
Yes.

I'm surprised at other responses bc river is a clear value bet to me and I don't think it's close.

I wish you didn't post results bc before I even saw results I said "lol TT" and A9 is the same as TT here.

It is clear that he has a mid value hand and/or is not bluffing his air when he checks a nut barreling card ott.

Also you truly own people when you value bet 2nd pair. Raptor calls it "head explosion bets" bc you really tilt villain in these scenarios and that is future +EV.

It's fine if you never have air in your range. That doesn't matter at all in live poker.
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08-25-2014 , 07:52 PM
If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense for villain to have exactly tt/jj. He likely is never leading ak here if he somehow flats pre. 99/88 unlikely lead this flop and then x twice, very large population of live players are scared of people checking back and missing value after waiting for so long for that big hand.
Your range is pretty face up to anyone good but it doesn't matter so bet as big as he will call or as small as that will induce.
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08-25-2014 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by luvinurmoney
If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense for villain to have exactly tt/jj. He likely is never leading ak here if he somehow flats pre. 99/88 unlikely lead this flop and then x twice, very large population of live players are scared of people checking back and missing value after waiting for so long for that big hand.
Your range is pretty face up to anyone good but it doesn't matter so bet as big as he will call or as small as that will induce.
He's in position after leading the flop and the 3 bettor folded so he could have bet, or raised me on the river.

At first it seemed like a pretty obvious check but you guys are convincing me that I should've thrown out a small bet that's obvious to everyone including the villain that I have him beat - because most live rec players pretty much just call with a made hand in that spot.
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08-25-2014 , 11:44 PM
Fallsview @ Niagara Falls TR

Went to Niagara Falls recently to do the tourist thing and played some canadian 5/T. I think 5/T doesnt run as frequently and in as many places in canada as in the states so im glad NF had some going on when i went.


This is Fallsview, one of the two casinos on the Canadian side of niagara falls. This one is newer and spreads higher limits 2/5 NL and up. The other one is casino niagara and it only does 1/2, I didnt go because parking is like $20 if you dont play anything there. That's tourist trap for you.


Never figured out what this installation piece in the lobby is supposed to be, but it was kind of cool looking.


Shoepr0n. I didn't bring enough clothes on the trip so had to get some shopping in. I dont know how i ended up in a shoe store while looking for clothes though.


Rainbow over the horseshoe fall (which is the bigger of the two falls)


NOT a bragworthy chippr0n BUT let's call it a nice... souvenir? Pretty good hourly after a 4.5 hour session before dinner.

Their comps for poker suxx - well actually non-existent. You basically get comped free parking for playing, which is otherwise $5 lol.

Otherwise the game was pretty good. it was mostly regs BUT rec regs which makes the game soft enough. Everyone buys in for the full 2k, and since I only started playing 5/T recently I was buying in a bit short at 1.5k. The players know each other pretty well, which makes the game more relaxed and enjoyable. The whole time I was there, there was only one pro who was better than me and by a large margin, but I was on his left the whole time and we didnt get into any big pots .


Lost my spot on the 3-page call-in list after dinner, fk this letz go drinking instead. Went to the R5 lounge in the casino gallaria with a view of the falls (the mist from the falls can be felt all the way from the balcony).

I am just so thankful for poker allowing me all these opportunities to travel whenever I have time. There's pretty much no other part time job that gives you that flexibility to go to that many places whenever you want and still make money at the same time. Stay tuned for more poker TRs to come! :d
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08-25-2014 , 11:51 PM
nice view.
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08-26-2014 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
He's in position after leading the flop and the 3 bettor folded so he could have bet, or raised me on the river.

At first it seemed like a pretty obvious check but you guys are convincing me that I should've thrown out a small bet that's obvious to everyone including the villain that I have him beat - because most live rec players pretty much just call with a made hand in that spot.
Yea you are right you are oop but yea I still like a small bet.
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08-26-2014 , 11:21 AM
I wish i had the br to play 5/10 Sick bargs tho
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08-27-2014 , 12:24 AM
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I wish i had the br to play 5/10 Sick bargs tho
Yeah being well/over-rolled is sooo important when you are moving up. Last week I had a -5k session at a very soft 5/T/20 game and that's more than what normal people make in a month, pretty sickening thought. It also got me stuck for the month but surprisingly I didn't feel too horrible about it. Took like a few days off and got back into it and already got back in the black
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08-27-2014 , 12:41 AM
Three hands of interest from a recent session. Again comments are much appreciated.

Hand 1:
5/5. One limp, gambooly asian guy opens MP to 25. H calls with 99 otb. Limper calls. Eff 1k.
Flop (85): 567sss. Check to H, H bets 50 with the 9s. Only pfr calls. Eff 1k.
Turn (185): Ko. H bets 125, V check calls.
River (435): Js. Check check MHIG.

Hand 2:
5/5/T. Folds to the button, another gambooly asian guy who gets spewy when stuck. I had history stationing him down and being good. Button raises to 35, sb folds, H has AA in the bb so 3 bet to 115. Straddle folds, button calls. Around 1k eff.
Flop ($245): JT7r. H checks, V bets 160. H calls.
Turn ($565): 2 flush draw. H checks, V shoves for 750. H folds. V shows TT phewwww

Hand 3
5/5. A decent reg opens over a limper for 30. I call otb with A2cc. Limper calls. Eff 1k.
Flop (105): Ak9r one club. We all check.
Turn (105): Qc - picked up nut flush draw. All check to me, I check behind.
River (105): Jo. Dammit I feel like I just got rivered. Everyone checks to me again and I check, limper has lol99 complaining about no one betting the board of big cards haha, pfr claims he had AJ.
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08-27-2014 , 01:04 AM
I probably do have the roll to play 5/10 I'm just a scaredy cat. I value money too much.
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08-27-2014 , 01:15 AM
Bet small on the turn with Ac2c.
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08-27-2014 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Bet small on the turn with Ac2c.
This

Subbed also. In the AA hand the results show you made a very good laydown, but I'd like to know why you re evaluated on such a drawy board and ended C/folding. The turn is essentially a blank and adds even more draws. I mean, if you're good on the flop the turn changes nothing. Is it because you know he knows that you have stationed up in the past and he knows he can't bluff anymore? If so, you just outplayed him pretty hard
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08-27-2014 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TheStuntman
I probably do have the roll to play 5/10 I'm just a scaredy cat. I value money too much.
Someone posted in the chat thread a while ago, something along the lines of how poker is one of the best investments of choice for a winning part-time player. I always had a mind for investments even before I started poker (have a bunch of stuff in a portfolio) so I suppose I'm already less risk averse about money. The way I see it money is just working capital to be used to make more money because it ain't going to grow by itself sitting in a squirrel hole. If you have a track record of winning at poker then I wouldn't think it's not valuing money if you were to put it to work.
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Bet small on the turn with Ac2c.
Yessir

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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
This

Subbed also. In the AA hand the results show you made a very good laydown, but I'd like to know why you re evaluated on such a drawy board and ended C/folding. The turn is essentially a blank and adds even more draws. I mean, if you're good on the flop the turn changes nothing. Is it because you know he knows that you have stationed up in the past and he knows he can't bluff anymore? If so, you just outplayed him pretty hard
Thnx for the sub!

It's a combination of history and live reads. This is a guy who plays better at the beginning of the session than when he's stuck, and he just sat down recently in this hand. He perceived me to be pretty tight because the last big pot we played, I let him value own himself betting pretty big with two pairs on 3 streets while i check-called down with bigger two pairs.

When he called my 3bet in this hand, he made a comment to the effect of "oh you want to be cracked right before you leave huh?". So I knew he's putting me on a big hand while he has a mediocre hand that needed to hit. Qq is probably out of his range. With the board being JT7r, it's a board for me to check with an overpair there. I think if he had bet out with Jx, he would slow down the turn because he's not beating anything there once I call his sizeable bet otf. With KQ, he would also check back the turn because the turn changes nothing so like you said, I'm still calling if I already called the flop. He shoved because he wanted to make it look bluffy, knowing that he could be representing a draw, and more importatly, knowing that I am check-calling a lot of hands there (so in case people ask, why would he bet so strong if he wants value from your weak ch/call? It's because he knows I would be checking all JJ-AA, AJ-AK here, not necessarily leading out with only JJ-AA). But I know he would never play an unlikely QQ, Jx, or a draw like that, so I wasn't beating much and it would be right to fold.

I actually thought he might have had asian aces (JT) given the preflop comment lol but close enough.

Last edited by Snowball2; 08-27-2014 at 02:08 PM.
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08-27-2014 , 02:51 PM
Marry me? Yea, you make good points about using money. I have over 45k in cash just sitting in a bank account, with about 15k in stocks right now.
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08-27-2014 , 03:21 PM
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Marry me? Yea, you make good points about using money. I have over 45k in cash just sitting in a bank account, with about 15k in stocks right now.
I take a pretty diversified approach.. some poker money in cash some for living expenses and some locked up in investments of various risk levels (but all liquid in case I go busto with poker *fingers crossed*). But I dont keep anything sitting around any more than the bare minimum that I need.
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08-27-2014 , 03:46 PM
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I take a pretty diversified approach.. some poker money in cash some for living expenses and some locked up in investments of various risk levels (but all liquid in case I go busto with poker *fingers crossed*). But I dont keep anything sitting around any more than the bare minimum that I need.
It depends how you grew up. I grew up fairly poor and always lacked money to do things and to buy the stuff I wanted. Now, I rarely buy anything even though I have good income. I now save a lot of money for fear of going broke by losing a job or whatever. You never know what will happen. I've been unemployed for long stretches (over a year twice). So yea, kinda hesitant to spend money.
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08-27-2014 , 11:05 PM
Yikes, might hit over 120 hours in poker this month, got a full weekend of poker trip grinding planned - and that's with taking almost a week off too

I want to put in more hours studying poker but it's hard as fk and studying shouldnt be that hard yet because I JUST finished being a student.
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08-27-2014 , 11:19 PM
studying sucks
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08-27-2014 , 11:43 PM
Yeah but then Id be thinking while playing, "man i wish i was better before putting all this money on the table".
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