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05-06-2017 , 01:27 PM
Btw posted the results for H3 cuz it's obv not a standard spot... the spot was extremely read dependent based on history/game flow etc (which I didn't include) and def not the kind of call I make on a regular basis. Vs 99.9% of the villains it's a clear fold ott without a doubt.
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05-06-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Btw posted the results for H3 cuz it's obv not a standard spot... the spot was extremely read dependent based on history/game flow etc (which I didn't include) and def not the kind of call I make on a regular basis. Vs 99.9% of the villains it's a clear fold ott without a doubt.
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05-06-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Hand 1, what are you doing with AK no spade?
Hand might have played out differently. Might have raised the flop. If I didn't then river may have been a call because I'm getting an extremely good price. It's a weird spot where he shouldn't be leading 3 times with worse (based on how he played the KQ hand before), but also I'm getting such good odds to just call 3 times with my hand and he doesn't look that strong. Like I didn't think it was a clear blocker bluff raise there and I could be good a lot already.
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05-06-2017 , 01:58 PM
Yeah kinda what I was thinking. I'm hesistant to bluff raise with a hand good enough call... problem is in this spot it's tough to have a worse As. Maybe AsJx but meh that might be to loose to get to river.
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05-06-2017 , 04:57 PM
Hand 1) If by reg you mean good reg that is pro or semi pro then yeah looks like a good bluffing spot. Only thing that can be improved is going bigger so he doesn't level himself into calling sets thinking you could be value raising 2 pair.

Hand 2) Seems spewy 3 ways for this sizing but maybe something like 2x pot is profitable.

Hand 3) Yeah pretty obv that you had specific reads.
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05-08-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by scurra
$2.50/$5Zoom No Limit Holdem
PokerStars5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
Stacks:
UTG Priidix ($567.18) 113bb
CO Ch33s3z0r ($546.25) 109bb
BTN Sanchez_nsk ($661.79) 132bb
SB ModestBoy ($1,408.71) 282bb
BB Hero ($505) 101bb
Pre-Flop: (7.50, 5 players) Hero is BB 5My Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes 9My Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes

1 fold, Ch33s3z0r raises to $15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $50, Ch33s3z0r calls $35

Flop: 9My Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes: KMy Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes: JMy Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes: ($102.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, Ch33s3z0r bets $49.75, Hero calls $49.75
Turn: 6My Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes ($202, 2)
Hero checks, Ch33s3z0r bets $120, Hero raises to $240, Ch33s3z0r calls $120
River: 2My Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes: ($682, 2)
Hero checks, Ch33s3z0r checks
Final Pot: $682
Hero shows a pair of Nines
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Ch33s3z0r shows
QMy Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes AMy Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes:
Hero wins $679 (net +$339.25)
Ch33s3z0r lost $339.75
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Originally Posted by scurra
Why do people always try so hard to exaggerate the blatancy of how a hand is played or supposed to be played. There is a mirrion different ways to play this hand and a mirrion different EV's. And all of them are at least somewhat difficult to figure out in a 20-30 second timeframe while playing other tables.

Flop is good because our hand has the EQ to play bet x/c in theory but in reality we don't know how often V will x/b turn with AQ/AT and how often he will call bet bet with those. Most people tend to shut down river after facing turnx/c but if turn blanks and we x/c and River blanks as well and we x/f 59 we don't have much reason to call any part of our river range unless we trap. I hate playing inconsistent lines and b x/c x/f in a spot where we have no idea about turn and river frequency is no good.

Obviously flopx/f is not an option. The somewhat good thing about facing bet on Flop is that people tend to overcommit with their flopbluffs in 3bet pots vs check because everybody is aware that they don't neccessarily get a lot of Flop x/f from the hands they want to fold therefor commit to double turn and then either decide that hero doesn't play x/c x/c x/f which often is the case and give up or carry through. Last part again is a problem because if we can't figure out how often Villain carries through OTR we're automatically going to make very large EV mistakes because nobody ever carries through with all of their bluffs all the time but they will always carry through with value. And you don't want to make bad rivercalls in 3bet pots. But you also don't want to make Turncalls where V continues River 80% of the times and you always x/f.

So the dilemma of the hand is that we don't really want to play b x/f # b x/c x/f # b x/c x/c # x/c x/f # x/c x/c x/c # x/c x/c x/f.

So the only line that has some benefits besides giveups is x/c x/r because 1) V will be confused. 2) V is shut down as in everybody play b/j over b/c with top of their range. So he'll isolate himself to playing b/c with a range that is forced to almost always check river (alá AQ KQ AT). 3) If V has some blank bluffs like 22 or A5bdfd he's forced to b/f.

It's just overall a very beneficial play for us. We have some foldequity. We have some equity against KQ. We get very easy riverdecisions. Especially against weaker regs. We get very easy turn decisions. And we just take away iniative and put pressure on V. Nobody wants to face turnraise with gutshot or 1pair in a 3b pot. His timebank will run. He has AQ or T8 he's gonna be confused he's gonna click call he's gonna face river check he's gonna think about jam then he realizes he has Acehi and takes check or he realizes he has T8 but then contemplates whether his valuerange jams turn and he doesn't have value OTR then gives up and checks. Has KQ doesn't want to get trapped checks river. Etc

Against stronger players this hand plays differently. I'm sure some 5k guys will simply jam KQ OTR or b/r T8 / AQ occasionally. The exploits you can play out of that are obvious.

Regardless. No idea what the EV of turnx/r is. I'm sure it's alright and much better than the other lines.

I just spewed this away so don't quote me.
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05-08-2017 , 01:45 PM
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So the only line that has some benefits besides giveups is x/c x/r because 1) V will be confused. 2) V is shut down as in everybody play b/j over b/c with top of their range. So he'll isolate himself to playing b/c with a range that is forced to almost always check river (alá AQ KQ AT). 3) If V has some blank bluffs like 22 or A5bdfd he's forced to b/f.

It's just overall a very beneficial play for us. We have some foldequity. We have some equity against KQ. We get very easy riverdecisions. Especially against weaker regs. We get very easy turn decisions. And we just take away iniative and put pressure on V. Nobody wants to face turnraise with gutshot or 1pair in a 3b pot. His timebank will run. He has AQ or T8 he's gonna be confused he's gonna click call he's gonna face river check he's gonna think about jam then he realizes he has Acehi and takes check or he realizes he has T8 but then contemplates whether his valuerange jams turn and he doesn't have value OTR then gives up and checks. Has KQ doesn't want to get trapped checks river. Etc
V isn't the only one who's confused...

wow.
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05-08-2017 , 01:48 PM
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05-08-2017 , 01:57 PM
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05-08-2017 , 04:06 PM
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V isn't the only one who's confused...

wow.
lmao
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05-08-2017 , 05:42 PM
She might not be as good as she thinks she is if she thinks it is difficult to calculate all the EVs in 20 to 30 seconds.
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05-08-2017 , 06:36 PM
For some reason that HH reminds of a drug addict Merge reg from a few years ago that grinded 18 hours a day, was crazy loose but ran soooooo freaking hot, like 1000 bb stacks on all tables before he dusted it all off.
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05-08-2017 , 08:55 PM
Meh it's basically a different way of raising to see where you're at. It's also a way of exploring a different part of the game tree to find bigger exploits in spots that people haven't studied yet. Danielle "DMoonGirl" and Will Tipton talk about this.
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05-09-2017 , 12:24 AM
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The most beautiful words in poker

V is a serious rec player.

Straddled he limps btn. I go 100 in sb with AKdd.
Flop (235): 946ssd. I cbet 125 he call.
Turn (485): Qsss. I check he bets 300 I call.
River (1085): Kssss I check he bets 1100 I call.

"I have nothing"

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05-09-2017 , 12:25 AM
I understood some of those words! But that's why I am stuck at $2/$5 Slow.
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05-09-2017 , 12:43 AM
I'm not good enough to know whether if this guy is actually a genius or insane, but it was just like, woaaah, such a different way of approaching the game. I think I get it more now after reading it 2-3 times and it's not as convoluted as it was at first glance.

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Meh it's basically a different way of raising to see where you're at. It's also a way of exploring a different part of the game tree to find bigger exploits in spots that people haven't studied yet. Danielle "DMoonGirl" and Will Tipton talk about this.
It = min-raise?

Don't know who those people are/what they supposed to have talked about but sounds like it's going back to try and confuse your opponents
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05-09-2017 , 01:38 AM
DmoonGirl is a Bellagio reg with an online background. She is a very strong player.
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05-09-2017 , 05:18 AM
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I'm not good enough to know whether if this guy is actually a genius or insane, but it was just like, woaaah, such a different way of approaching the game. I think I get it more now after reading it 2-3 times and it's not as convoluted as it was at first glance.



It = min-raise?

Don't know who those people are/what they supposed to have talked about but sounds like it's going back to try and confuse your opponents
Yeah "it" was referring to the turn raise.

Yeah basically their point was that bigger EV gains can come from players being put in new and uncomfortable situations and reacting with unbalanced strategies by calling/folding/bluffing too much/not enough. The goal is to get players out of their comfort zone and make them react in spots they're not used to seeing or didn't plan for.
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05-09-2017 , 06:39 AM
Potentially sounds like my postflop style which tends to be ultra aggressive. However, in this instance all villain does is min-raise the turn OOP with 3rd pair. I'm not sure how that is going to make an opponent uncomfortable. I love opponents that offer us easy decision points like this.

I'm guessing the player pool in those games is fairly small too so many players should know he's bloating up pots preflop with marginal holdings and he's being overly aggressive postflop which makes him very easy to play against.

By contrast, Dmoongirl is typically going to have a tight/solid/reg image and is going to be playing more reasonable hand ranges more reasonably which makes a turn raise from her much more scary than vs this guy where you have to physically restrain yourself for a moment before clicking call (or raise) to give the illusion that there was an actual decision to be made.
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05-10-2017 , 06:43 PM
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Back to real poker

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Fish who's been limping every hand limps UTG. I iso to 45 in UTG1 with AKo. One reg calls behind, another reg calls in the SB, utg calls, 4 way.

Flop (190): K57ssc. I have As. The reg in SB donks 125. Fold to me I call. HU 2200ish eff.

Not sure how he plays except he's limped KQo utg short-handed before and checked called down top pair on a dry board vs a non-maniac.

Turn (440): Jcc. He bets 175. I call again.

River (790): 8sss. He bets 250. I raise to 1000.

2.
V1 is a bad reg
V2 is a rec player who just raise-called it off bad with some offsuit semi connected cards that hit trips with no kicker. Hit a fh and doubled up.

I open JQs in Mp to 30. V1 calls. V2 makes it 140 otb. I call, V2 calls.

Flop (435): K49r. All check.
Turn: K flush draw not mine. All check again.
River: 6o. I lead 500.
Results:

1. He tanked pretty long and folded. I'm pretty sure I folded out a better hand. The standard line for regs like that is to lead with 1 pair and check when the flush/other scary cards hits, or bet with a draw and check turn to check call, then lead if the draw hits. For him to lead 3 times MW is likely to be better than 1p but the sizing is just so bad.

2. First guy tanked forever and called with 88 lol. Next guy claims he folded QQ. Probably leveled the guy into calling cuz he probably expected me to bet Kx ott and "why would I value bet so big" lol.
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05-17-2017 , 02:44 AM
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05-24-2017 , 11:33 AM
How'd we end up last night?
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05-24-2017 , 01:11 PM
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2. First guy tanked forever and called with 88 lol. Next guy claims he folded QQ. Probably leveled the guy into calling cuz he probably expected me to bet Kx ott and "why would I value bet so big" lol.
Not sure if you ever watched old tom dwan videos but he would merge in spots like this beautifully. I remember him taking this line with like TT and thinking WTF and then he gets called by 6x and I'm like...oh.

I also occasionally try to bluff pot when I rep nothing and get called by 4th pair at such a high frequency it really makes me want to try merging more bc it would be such a fulfilling feeling to show 3rd pair for value.
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05-24-2017 , 04:36 PM
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How'd we end up last night?
Thanks for asking. I grew my bankroll by $800, or 50%. Winning
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06-05-2017 , 12:25 AM
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Not sure if you ever watched old tom dwan videos but he would merge in spots like this beautifully. I remember him taking this line with like TT and thinking WTF and then he gets called by 6x and I'm like...oh.

I also occasionally try to bluff pot when I rep nothing and get called by 4th pair at such a high frequency it really makes me want to try merging more bc it would be such a fulfilling feeling to show 3rd pair for value.
I think it happened to me once (unintentionally), bluffed with ace high and got called by worse ace high from another reg. It was pretty glorious.

I think I have really good image by default, but then I've gotten called down for stacks really really light too, so I dunno. Maybe I need to start wearing sunglasses and scarves or something.
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