It's a combination of a few things, namely better software allows me to multi-table more easily, the fish:ratio appears better at Stars, and ACR's Spins top out at $40s. Even if I was making double the ROI (I wouldn't), I'd have to grind a significantly higher number of games.

Also, this

Still on 45% RB, when that number drops to 30% I'll likely put in a sample on ACR.

Thanks!

Overall, it has went very well. The running terribly part doesn't diminish the EV ROI I've been able to maintain and I can't think of many other 6m/9m players who successfully made the transition. Most importantly, moving to Spins made me a much better poker player which obviously can help me in all formats. I'm more comfortable now playing postflop/coaching +cEV spots and that indirectly led to me starting/working with my MTT stable.

Damn I remember back when you played 15's we always ended up on the same tables and you said something along the lines of "Why are you sitting me I have the highest winrate in 15's or something" and i didn't know about spinlyzer so just kept sitting. I also remember that I knew you were a stt player and I was under the impression most 6 max players would not be good postflop initially. Now i regret :'(

Keep doing well at the 100's man

You sure that was me/$15s? I don't think I've played more than a handful of $15s + I def wasn't using SpinWiz to reg them. Probably was $60s.

Spins can be tilting in so many ways and that 'Sitlist' on SpinWiz only added fuel to the fire. I remember looking at the list and thinking, 'WTF these guys really want to play ME? But I'm winning!' Looking back on it, I don't blame them for sitting me -- I was much worse than I am currently, and even now I'm not 100% confident in my reg vs reg play. That said, there were a bunch of guys who sat me who no longer play Spins and/or had to move so farrrrrr down that I can't even see them.



I don't get to brag much about being over EV these days, so I'm going to take the opportunity now to do so. Through the first ~800 games of the month, I'm +$5300 preRB and my true EV is $4800.



Likely running hot in all facets (i.e. today I went 3/4 in 10x games) but I'll take it. Somehow have 58 cEV for the month despite donating a million chips to Rayden today.

Might have been 30's or maybe 60s during the spinwiz days, yeah im one of the guys that moved far down afterwards. Impressive run for this month O.o

Ended last night with a 20 BI downer in like 50 games but because of the way my HEM is configured, those results showed up under the 'today' results so I made it my goal to

1) Grind back the monies
2) Grind back the EV (Was at -3500 chips thru the 25 games, yuck)

Managed to do both.



In other news, a fellow reg alerted me to the fact I was sitting out in a game (that he was in) so shout out to Rompa15 for being a solid human. I wish you many binks, sir!

That's what you get for sending those equity-dollars back to the disconnected reg from the previous pages #KarmaIsReal

P.S.: Sick comeback! WP

Do you think its easier to make money in Spins or MTT's?

Thanks! Hope the karma run isn't over!

I've got some qualms about the word 'easier' but I'm going to gloss over that for now...

Like almost everything in poker, it depends. I know of a few Spin regs who claim to be terrible at MTTs and I frequently play against MTT crushers who are lifetime losers at Spins. While both games are basically cEV formats, the difference in stack depths, table composition (i.e. # of players), and several other aspects mean that different skill sets are required.

For me, personally, I play Spins. I've outlined all the reasons why (Better hourly, more freedom, my edge is high enough to warrant it, etc) in previous posts. But the stable I own/operate isn't a Spin stable -- 99.9% of the games played by my horses are MTTs. After experiencing my own variance at Spins, I had no desire to stake a team of players in that format. Plus there's the questions about seemingly ever increasing rake, long term future, viability, etc. But MTTs? They've been soft for years and should continue to be soft. Even if Stars went belly up tomorrow, a MTT reg could mix other sites and be ~fine.

I guess the short answer is MTTs appear much easier to learn as you could play push/fold for the majority of the time and still profit in <$20s, where that strategy wouldn't work in Spins above $3s.

Speaking of my MTT stable, we had our 6 month anniversary today. Extremely happy with the progress so far, have already exceeded my expectations and it appears that the best is yet to come!

Planned on playing MTTs tomorrow but my GF has scheduled a BBQ at our place. It's actually less of a BBQ and more a social gathering, I overheard her and her friends talking about it and no one even brought up what type of food should be cooked. Should be a bunch of girls over here drinking wine, gossiping, and possibly some of their children -- not the best environment to grind long hours. Will probably stick to Spins, which continue to go well. Not taking this run good for granted, I'm trying to enjoy every minute of it because I know I could swing down at any time.

Still above EV (by $300) for the month!

Oh yeah, forgot to post goals/freerolls, so I'll do it now. Each one is worth $25 and can be picked by two posters.

1) 5,000 Spins (Currently at ~1500)
2) 100 MTTs

There are several spin video courses out there for sale. Did you watch them and would you recommend any of them for a beginner?
What was your study schedule at the beginning?

5k spins. GL

100 mtts never bet against spin volume with abarone...

100 mtts, gl

Good luck with the goals! Will try and get in earlier to snipe the freerolls next time.

5k spins gl

Haha yeah I worded that badly. It's damn tough to make it in online poker, and only a few % of the aspiring low stakes players ever climb the ranks :P

Can't give a recommendation as I didn't watch any of them from start-to-finish; I did find a leaked version of BigHusla's original video pack and saw a few minutes but to be honest I wasn't that impressed by it. That's not supposed to be a knock on him, when he released the video pack most of what he said/did was generally accepted as standard but the community quickly evolved and moved past that to find more +EV ways to play the hand.

It's incredibly tough to make a strategy/training video that can stand the test of time. And as information is disseminated, it becomes less and less valuable. Plus, the shelf life of an 'optimal play' is rather short. I personally can't watch any of my 2010-era 9 max training videos on (now defunct?) PokerVT without cringing.

Marking tons of hands during sessions and reviewing them alone/with other reg friends afterward. I think being comfortable admitting that I didn't know wtf I was supposed to do in a lot of spots was really helpful to my development.

And it still happens today. I guess I'm supposed to be embarrassed about that, but I'm not.

still waiting for abarone posting a proud pic of him catching a psyduck in pokemon go here...

mtts . why would u do that to your self

It's like spins but the downswings feel more standard and the wins are more satisfying. You also see people making mistakes that cost them more than 10bb of EV which can be a nice change of pace

U don't use a HUD obv as you're using HM1 to analyse results. Most spin players I've seen have HUD stats filling most of the entire table, yet you apparently rape $100s without one?

How often are u accidentally opening HM1 before closing Stars then getting the warning email?

I dunno, the PokemonGO craze just isn't my thing. Weird because all signs would point to it being right up my alley, but nope.

It's a nice change of pace from the Spin grind. Much less mentally taxing, easier decisions, get to make some deep runs and have a few nice sweats throughout the day. Plus it helps that I'm not relying on the binks for my income, so if I brick an entire day I can just shrug.

I've got the e-mail warning once, hasn't happened since. Some people might be insulted by your accusation, but it made me feel pretty balla that you think I must be cheating.

Probably because pokemon go seems to involve a lot of grinding, I expect it's less appealing as a game to poker players who already have a main grind

i was kinda half joking lol i used to grind mtts full time for 2-3 years pre spins, everyone 109 below is insanely terrible post flop, just find them 5 min breaks every hour like handcuffs when i play them some sundays now

What have I accused u of?? I've had about 20 warning emails cuz I use HM2 for the HUD then like to chuck all the hands into HM1 to analyse as HM2 is a ****ing minefield of bullcrap compared with the much more usable HM1. I often forget to close PS before I open Hm1 hence getting the emails so thought you would make the same mistakes. It leads me to wonder how many emails they're gonna send before then accusing us of using the Hm1 hud when we're not. U obv totally read that wrong

Don't think I'd enjoy them as a full grind. Got deep in the B44 today, 3 bet/called active reg's 4b shove with AJ for ~30 BBs deep and lost a flip for chiplead with 30 or so left. Didn't phase me at all. But if this was my full-time gig I'd be filled with teh sadz and calculating how much my stack would have been worth if I'd won the hand.

Odd, I totally read that as I'm a scumbag cheater. Maybe I'm relying on the anger that often accompanies your posts or I default to a defensive position. Not sure, perhaps a bit of both.

HM2 sucks, I'm still confused by PT4, all I want is HM1 so I can track cEV while I play but noooooooo. Now I find myself frequently closing down PS after a session to open up HM1 and sweat my EV results, like some sort of crackhead.

Can PS just ban all the third party software and get it over with?


I've got a fair amount of other timewasters in my life that I'd consider a grind though -- I'm currently trying to beat all the levels on 'expert' for each of the Kingdom Rush iPad games. Before that, I was playing 'Paradise Bay' and my GF would openly mock me during the game because it calls you the 'Trademaster.'

Hey TradeMaster, can you take out the garbage?