So I've been reading this forum for a while now and decided that I want to make a PG&C thread to keep track of my progress, but also to stay motivated and to keep improving.
I just started playing 6 max, which is also my main focus right now. I started at 2NL as I don't see any reason to play higher until I can prove myself as a winner for a specific stake.
I will be using this thread to post my progress, and hopefully this thread can help me to stay motivated and maybe I can even realise mistakes in hands I wouldn't normally recognise?
I'm also looking for some ways to study the game off the tables, so if anyone can recommend some kind of schedule I would appreciate that.
It's exactly one week since my first post so I decided it might be time for an update.
Not a lot of interesting hands to post. Played this hand in my last session though, and I found the turn spot rather interesting (especially because we're deep). Villain is a 2NL regular.
I felt like the turn was a nice spot to bluff, however I can't really decide if I'm supposed to make moves like this at 2NL.
99 - seems wp. tbh I find it impressive that someone just starting at 2nl is thinking at that level and bluff in this fashion. gj
Thanks a lot!
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So it's time for another update.
The week didn't start super well, but I believe I adapted to play against most 2NL regulars and I feel much more confident than last week!
I also played some interesting hands in my last session, that I want to share with you.
Hand 1:
I'm still not sure about this fold. I don't understand why he would pot it on the turn if he had me dead there. However I think I have played my hand like a rivered flush. Still not sure.
River:(36.5 BB, 2 players) K Hero bets 25 BB, BTN raises to 99 BB, Hero calls 74 BB
Spoiler:
BTN shows 7 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Sixes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%) Hero mucks 7 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Sevens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%) BTN wins 226.5 BB
I think I need to study the game more than I do now. So if anyone can recommend the best way to study the game off the tables for a 2NL player like me, I would appreciate it!
So I didn't play a lot this week as I chose to study instead of playing. I still need to figure out how much I should study in relation to how much I play.
I've also watched some videos from Run It Once. Not sure if it's worth it at 2NL?
And some interesting hands I wanted to share. I think I played them well, but what do I know.
Ok, so it's time for my first monthly update, and I think it went fairly well (even though I have nothing to compare my results to). I really feel that I have improved a lot this month, and I've become much better to play against the average 2NL regular than just a couple of weeks ago.
I'm already looking forward to next month. Hopefully I can show I have improved.
So the last couple of days haven't been great, and I've had this feeling that I run into the nuts all day everyday. I believe this had made me slightly tilted, and I've definitely been opening too wide way too often. But OK, now I know that's something I really need to work on.
Today I have been checking my database, and if anyone is reading, I want to know how many hands I need to make conclusions? Is my sample of 50k hands enough?
Thinking of posting some hands later in the week. This update is like a reminder to myself to keep my tilt under control and study way more than I do now. Actually I haven't even studied since last month.
These sessions happen, try to keep focusing on the long term and where your bankroll began compared to now rather than what it was at the beginning of a session vs the end of the season.
As far as your sample goes, it depends what conclusions you want to draw from 50k hands? You can try putting your results into this - http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/ But as a rough estimate after an average 50k hands your win rate will likely be within that range by about 8bb/100 (eg someone winning at 10bb/100's true win rate would likely somewhere between 6bb/100 and 14bb/100)
These sessions happen, try to keep focusing on the long term and where your bankroll began compared to now rather than what it was at the beginning of a session vs the end of the season.
As far as your sample goes, it depends what conclusions you want to draw from 50k hands? You can try putting your results into this - http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/ But as a rough estimate after an average 50k hands your win rate will likely be within that range by about 8bb/100 (eg someone winning at 10bb/100's true win rate would likely somewhere between 6bb/100 and 14bb/100)
Thank you for your response. That's very helpful!
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In my latest session I played this hand, and I want to know if you would call this down?
I also played this one, and when I look at it, it seems like it's always a call. The annoying part is I have yet to see a 2NL regular bluff three streets (I even wrote this down as a reminder). Can we ever find a fold here?
I also played this one, and when I look at it, it seems like it's always a call. The annoying part is I have yet to see a 2NL regular bluff three streets (I even wrote this down as a reminder). Can we ever find a fold here?
In hand one I think we can fold, villain can be bluffing us some % of the time here but I think you'll have better hands BB vs SB to call down with, depending on how much you 3bet BB vs SB, stuff like AJ-JT, AT/KT/T9 that can all take the same like as this which are better options than 88.
In hand two I think we have to call down or we're so easy to bluff on this board (especially if we 3bet TT/JJ preflop then AJ is pretty much the very top of our range other than 1 combo of quads and turned two pairs with JT), this doesn't matter that much at 2nl but it's worth thinking about as you climb through the stakes. I think I've seen some guys barrel this 3 times in 2nl with KQhh/K9hh and other flush draws, also some players will fire 3 times with KJ so I think you can safely call down, not a great situation but I think you're being too tight if you let it go on this board.
In hand one I think we can fold, villain can be bluffing us some % of the time here but I think you'll have better hands BB vs SB to call down with, depending on how much you 3bet BB vs SB, stuff like AJ-JT, AT/KT/T9 that can all take the same like as this which are better options than 88.
In hand two I think we have to call down or we're so easy to bluff on this board (especially if we 3bet TT/JJ preflop then AJ is pretty much the very top of our range other than 1 combo of quads and turned two pairs with JT), this doesn't matter that much at 2nl but it's worth thinking about as you climb through the stakes. I think I've seen some guys barrel this 3 times in 2nl with KQhh/K9hh and other flush draws, also some players will fire 3 times with KJ so I think you can safely call down, not a great situation but I think you're being too tight if you let it go on this board.
It's been a while since my last update and I decided that it might be time for an update.
Since my last update I've moved up to 5NL and it's going OK even though my volume is lower than what I expected. I've spend more time studying the game off the tables, than I have actually playing, which is something I didn't really do when I started at 2NL last month. It has hit me how much I have yet to learn (yes I know I play micros ), and this is very ambivalent to me because of the following reasons:
1. I've definitely lost confidence in my game and have started to question my game a lot.
2. I've realised how complex the game is, and how much you can actually learn from studying the game.
I've made a lot of mistakes this month. But I'm not really mad to be honest, as I see it as a clear improvement, that I can track down mistakes in my game.
I just reached 20K hands at 5NL and this is my results so far.
As I've reviewed all of my hands I can't really post any. However I often find myself in similar spots against donk bets, and to me it's really a guessing game a lot of the time.
So I guess it's time for an update. It's been a little different since my last update. Why? Since my last update I've been playing different stakes depending on how I feel/which day of the week it is, and I've even been playing regular tables.
I've also played 10NL because I believe the games are really good on weekends. However I experienced tilt after playing 10NL on a normal weekday (where I was already slightly tilted), and I ended up losing over 50$ in around 500 hands. This was also the moment I realised, that I should work on my mental game (and especially how to control my tilt). After I reviewed the session, I would estimate it to be something like 70% running bad / 30% tilt. But to be honest, if I played like that at 2NL, I wouldn't even think about it. When I look at my results it could definitely be worse.
I think what causes my tilt is that I'm way too results oriented, and that's something I really need to work on.
Overall I think it went fine playing different stakes, and that's something I will continue to do. Maybe deciding later if it's for me or not.
Hey. This weekend I decided to keep my study to a minimum and to put in a lot of volume instead.
I'm almost 100% sure, that this way of playing without studying, is something I will only do on weekends. I will be back to my normal approach from now on, maybe doing something similar next weekend if I feel good and have the time.
It really helped to play different stakes, and I would say it kept my confidence up over the weekend. Overall I felt really good about my game, and I even allowed myself to have one shot at 25NL each day (lost them both though ).
By the way, here is the two stacks I lost at 25NL. Let me know if you have any comments.
Hand 1:
I think this one is very standard. Villain was playing one table, so I'm never folding this one.
UTG raises to 2.76 BB, CO calls 2.76 BB, fold, Hero raises to 16.64 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 13.88 BB
Flop:(37.04 BB, 2 players) 6 9 K Hero bets 19.36 BB, CO raises to 38.72 BB, Hero raises to 92.52 BB and is all-in, CO calls 22.6 BB and is all-in
Turn:(159.68 BB, 2 players) T
River:(159.68 BB, 2 players) Q
Spoiler:
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 87%, Flop 80%, Turn 80%) CO shows K J (Straight, King High)
(Pre 13%, Flop 20%, Turn 20%) CO wins 152.48 BB
Hand 2:
This hand is super interesting IMO. Some backstory: The table consists of two nits, two super aggressive Russians, and one fish playing one table with 52/2 stats. I'm pretty sure the aggressive Russians think I'm a fish as well (or at least that I'm super weak), as they kept 3-betting me/firing multiple streets on every board without showing their hand once. Villain in this hand is the aggressive Russian with 39/25 stats, who has been opening a lot to isolate the fish.
The only hands that make sense to me is TT and JhJc (maybe As2s or Ac2c, but I don't think so, as this was like my first 3-bet). I'm thinking he should make a lot of his hands to bluffs when I check to him, to get me off something like KK/QQ? I'm super confused, and maybe my analysis is super off, but I'm really curious to hear some other opinions on this one.
River:(99.24 BB, 2 players) A Hero checks, CO bets 94.76 BB, Hero calls 56.8 BB and is all-in
Spoiler:
CO shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 75%, Flop 86%, Turn 16%) Hero shows K J (Two Pair, Jacks and Twos)
(Pre 25%, Flop 14%, Turn 84%) CO wins 204.84 BB
Not the funniest days since my last update. I don't think I played bad, and I didn't really tilt as much as I would expect. The days were pretty much 2nd nuts into nuts, and I don't think it really had an impact on my game. However I played a lot more than I normally would, so maybe it did?
Anyway, I'm not really scared to play 10NL anymore (to be honest, I feel really confident), so that's something good I got from playing different stakes. I'm still not sure if it works 100% for me though.
Pros:
- It makes me feel better.
- I continue to play, when I would normally stop.
- I'm not scared when I move up.
Cons:
- The swings are bigger.
- People play different on every stake.
Let me know what you think.
I also need to work on my mental game a lot. I think because I want to move up fast, I tend to get slightly annoyed when I run under EV. I think the answer to this is to play because I enjoy the game, and maybe it will help to look at my graph way less than I do now.
This weekend I decided not to check my results. It was really hard not to, but I think it helped me to play good, when I would sometimes be results oriented.
I just checked my results for the first time, and I'm really surprised. I had no idea I ran so hot. I'm still under EV though, so it's not like I'm sunrunning, but I can't complain obviously.
I didn't really tilt or anything except for one or two occasions, where I wasn't sure what to do. So it's not like my mental game is perfect, but I feel like I'm progressing.
Since my last update, I think I've been playing very well. I'm feeling really confident in my game at the moment. I even played some 50NL, just to see how it was.
I've also been playing on regular tables, and I often play against players with high VPIP/PFR, and that's something I might have to work on. I believe it's sometimes a bit of a guessing game to play against this type of player.
What's up? Managed to get in some more hands at 10NL. I got in a lot of standard spots, and had to give up some big pots. But all in all, I'm feeling very happy with how I've been playing lately.
Hand 1:
I think this hand is pretty standard played. I just thought it was funny how the river was literally the worst river card for me.
Yesterday could easily have been my most break-even day ever. When I was done for the day, I was like ''what a boring day, nothing really happened''. And when I checked my database, I realised I was only all-in once (which was at 2NL). The rest was really just small ball pots. But OK, it could definitely be worse, so I'm not complaining.
I decided to put in a lot of volume at the regular tables yesterday. It went really well, and for the first time, I didn't get stacked at the 25NL regular tables.
I didn't have a great time at the tables the last couple of days, and for the first time in a very long time, I felt slightly tilted while playing. I have reviewed all of my sessions, and I don't think I made a lot of mistakes (at least not to be tilted about it). I think it came from being a bit too results oriented. This was especially when I played against potential, clueless players. I had a lot of hands, where I decided to just size up on all streets, and they just had it everytime.
Anyway, I obviously need to improve my mental game. Here is what I've been thinking about doing.
- Play less (this one is really hard for me, because I'm really motivated to move up in stakes).
- Study more (maybe even having days dedicated to studying).
- Apply some kind of schedule before I play (meditation or similar).
If anyone had success with anything they do before they play, please let me know.
I also have to read The Mental Game of Poker, and see if I can apply any of it, to my own game.
Most interesting hand:
I'm not 100% sure if I'm too optimistic with this one. Villain was super clueless, so I decided to just size up.