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Old 02-04-2017, 05:22 PM   #101
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Re: $5m Profit in 2017 - Best In the Business

Interesting thread, I'm in.
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Old 02-04-2017, 05:38 PM   #102
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few of reasons,

bitb has put heaps of time into db research for their horses(myself) to have edges in the games, why would they give that away for free on a public forum where there no doubt hundreds of lurker regs who play in the same games as we do, could fix leaks for free. If someone doesn't x/r enough and 3bets too much that is quiet easy to fix once you know you have that leak.

The stats analysis also its what gives the stable edges over other stables as i doubt any of them have done this work, so its advertisement to get new horses and for them to join and not join another stable. Its a big asset/core competence. "We have done work on all these stats come join us and find out where your leaking and how to exploit population" is great advertising. Why give it away here.

i don't give away % of profits for other regs to get better for free. I know this is a tiny piece of info compared to the rest of the coaching etc but its still something that can improve your game so much. Going from x RFI in the CO to X to exploit certain tendencies will increase your winrate.

why dont you check out the stats work that's already out there?
while i understand your worries i dont think i am out of line with my question and is reasonable

saying i think optimal cbet flop should be for ex 70-75 doesnt say nothing strategically because for first there is "significant gap" between 70-75 and second it doesnt say what sizing and on what board texture to do what (cbet or not cbet)
saying optimal pfr 17-23 doesnt say nothing in particular (because you can have like for extreme 8 EP vpip and 70LP open),
saying xr flop 15-20 doesnt say anything etc etc etc

even if he gives exactly numbers, not numbers range, that doesnt say anything in particular because there are different ways to get to that number

to sum it up so while is true and i agree that giving borders what should be optimal is valuable because is setting up road so one can try to achieve/improve faster,but if you dont know how to achieve/get to that point in right way u cant get any value out of that info...
i mean knowing to run, kick ball, having great equipment and the rules of football doesnt make you good football player right?
knowing that some players that you think are very very good have x/r 17% on flop doesnt do nothing to your game (because you need to put the work in and to figure out how to get to that number, what hands to x/r with, on what board textures, with what stack deepth etc etc etc and still at the end maybe you have totally wrong reasoning and understanding of game etc and you will get to that number but you will get there in wrong way and that will do more harm to your game...
think when someone goes to gum first timeand start lifting weights,they look at experience guys and try to mimic what they do without proper understanding)



any way long story short my understanding of involving in this thread was :

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We will post hands here on a reguarly basis from ourselves to try and encourage discussion, randomly we will give out free access to our content or free 1on1s for good contribution in this thread. You can ask any question about staking and I’ll try to answer it in here.
and thats why i ask this question and dont think that is something that is like top secret and should not be talked about

gl at the tables
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:12 PM   #103
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the football analogy is not a good one, there isnt software/programs that will literally tells you what do to. Anyone playing poker for a living in 2017 has a brain and it wouldn't be hard for regs to fire up crev or pio and improve their cbet % or whatever. But people are lazy, they dont look for leaks themselves. If they are pointed out to them its easy to fix.

I know optimal cbet is not 70-75%, you can have that one
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:16 PM   #104
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Re: $5m Profit in 2017 - Best In the Business

^ pretty sure it's 64.7

nice to see the thread back
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:25 PM   #105
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^ pretty sure it's 64.2

nice to see the thread back
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:34 PM   #106
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Haha re8uz v nice try
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:38 PM   #107
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interesting thread, rly liking the posts pads!
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:05 PM   #108
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Excited to follow thread and post as much as possible to help add up for the REG donation


Fun to see behind the scenes and what kind of work people are putting in to improve their game

Yeah, hopefully give piles of cash to reg at end of the year

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This thread makes me happy I don't play full time anymore as it would be next to impossible to compete in an onpeak schedule with this type of organisation without an absolutely ridiculous coaching/study schedule. I know a few of your horses/coaches and they only have positive things to say, good luck and I have no doubt your team will continue to crush.
Its nice people say good stuff, still plenty of money to be won for anybody outside of the stable who works hard though.

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Subbed. Interesting thread for sure!
gracias

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If you ever feel like getting rid of some shares I think Sam already has enough. I'll take them off your hands.

Even though I work for the stable it's great to see some of the behind closed door stuff.
haha maybe after tomorrow with 3 shells in party 5k ill be in touch to offload some!

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Very cool/interesting, gl this year to all your guys.

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subbed gl for this year goal
ty for being involved guys


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Subbed! Great content already, pretty fascinating how hard you guys are working, no wonder you get all the money!
Just as easy for us to lose it back Gotta keep on it

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Really interesting read so far (as expected), subbed. Gl!

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Subbed.

Good luck to all of you.
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Hey Pads very glad this thread got reopened subbed obv!!

What di you think is s good ev bb/100 post bb 400+ and post 999+ for midstakes, say 40 abi. Also would be glad to hear if you break down ev bb/100 in other ways!!

Thanks in advance and so much glgl for the challenge!
It depends on stakes, I think anything above 8 at 1999+ is crushing very hard. People throw around that they're winning at 10+evbb/100, but like I said, a lot of that comes from early levels vs huge donators, it doesn't really impact your roi that much, a lot of people post graphs saying, look, I'm winning at 10evbb+/100 and I'm still losing,i run so bad, but its so far from the truth. Roi comes from a lot of different things, mostly how good you are at 999+ blinds though.

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Unreal work ethic from you guys. Keep it up excited to hear results.
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thanks for doing this, im actually doing some uni work on poker stables and your posts always give great insights on stuff i can expand on without having to add false bs.
gl
Nice, feel free to ask whatever you want, happy to help.

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funny I don't like referring to other players as horses (try to find ways fo explaining it without saying the word horse), but if I was called a horse then it doesn't bother me one bit - it's just the term known in the industry.

Perhaps switch the word horses for badgers? Wouldn't have a problem doing that, although would take some explaining

the OG itt. Badgers is indeed the best way to describe, will do that from now on. For anybody uncertain about why badgers:

https://www.bitb-staking.com/2016/11...-honey-badger/


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Nice you are back

Can you say smth more specific for this topic?? like can you tell in what number range some general stats you think should be, that are optimal for mid/hi stakes mtt vs population (for ex, pfr,rfi, vp$ip, cbet f, fold cbet f, c bet t, fold cbet t, c/r f...etc etc)
Yeah, I mean pretty absurd for me to post all of this stuff

But anyway, it changes all the time, so it doesn't even matter so much, we are working extremely hard behind the scenes where even the badgers don't realise to understand exactly what is optimal, whether that be through solvers vs population tendencies or intensive database work or analysis reg vs reg and win rate vs win rate, that even if we say cbets down the streets should be 50/60/50 (this isn't right) it doesn't mean it can't be 30/70/90 or 50/20/80 etc in the future. We are never standing still and our stable as a whole plays very very differently now to how they did 1 year ago and I'm sure in 1 year we will have a different approach again. What we have seen is that we start doing things and then the rest of the population starts to imitate and do the same stuff, so its important we are on our feet and planning strategical things moving forward all the time.

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while you're doing that, can we all have access to the bitb video library also please....
haha, in Newcastle we say "shy bairns get nout"

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Best of luck. Im working hard to back soon.
Hey Vinny, nice to see you! Hope things are going well.

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thanks and gl this year bitb-staking !!!!!
Thanks buddy

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@Big_Mick00 & LittleGoliath why so scared???

i dont see any problem in pads saying for ex:
i think optimal stats should be smth like
vp$ip ~19-21,
Cbet flop ~70-75,
F to Fcbet ~45-50

etc etc for some most common general stats

there are lot of free or some symbolic price (1-2 mid stake MTT buy in) charts/videos/articles out there for HUD stats etc on this topic,

i just want to know does what i think are optimal stats for smth are in same line with someone that has bigger database to compare and make research, i am not asking for strategy hot to exploit etc (although i wont mind that too)
Yeah thats the thing though, what we think and what everybody else thinks is different and our players (many of whom have 6 figure bankrolls) give 50%of their winnings so that the information they get isn't public. Very detailed strategical gameplan stuff isn't really applicable for the thread, I will be doing some videos of big tournaments I have won/final tabled and go through everything there in a little less detail though, so hold tight.

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yay, subbed

seems like a no-brainer to join ur stable if ur searching
best of luck, but leave some $$$ on the tables for us plz
Yeah it is kind of annoying for us sometimes, and probably have a bit too big of an ego about ourselves, but in our opinion, there is probably 300 really good people to stake in the world. 200 of them are currently staked by other companies/people and it kind of leaves us confused at times, we want to do everything in our power to make it not even an option to be staked by anybody else unless you want to cost yourself money. Maybe people think its a geek show here, but couldn't be further from the truth, our guys meet up regularly, drink, degen, its actually pretty fun place to be. Work hard, play hard.

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Old 02-04-2017, 08:12 PM   #109
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So u think K9 is not a push in the CO for 13bb huh?

updates on the bet vs the swedes?
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:45 PM   #110
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What are the hours expected to be put in by each horse? Playing and study time.

I'm assuming pretty much everyone is comparable to a full-time job given the way the stable tends to push for study time, coaching, meetings etc but also getting in reasonable volume.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:45 PM   #111
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:47 PM   #112
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January review:

Soo... new tiers, new schedules, new years optimism! The goal of $5m is of course super ambitious, its unlikely, but I'd rather have ambitious goals that I make 1 in 5 times than nitty goals I barely struggle myself with and are an almost certainty to make.

We had the following coachings:

HealTheWorld: Bvb 30-50bb deep, pio solver + node locking max exploit
Graftekkel: Detailed hand history review
Bencb: Complex icm modelling
James Whittet: Table selection, ego and winners tilt
Dietrich Fast: Focusing on river play
Apotheosis: Exploiting cbets
Dietrich Fast: 3betting as the bb
Oxota: Strong hands analysis with pio/crev

Elmerixx and myself did 6 streams between us between 3-6 hours each, basically just live play 4-12 tables

Elmerixx and myself did 4 cool down sessions, going over all saved hands from our sessions and Romeopro/Graftekkel joined us.

Before the first big Sunday, I was pretty pumped and left the message for the guys in announcements:

"Big day tomorrow @everyone this is literally what we play poker for. All the hard work mon-sat in the lab, all the streams, all the coachings, all the hand analysis on forum, all the hours spent in bed visualizing hands and thinkng over spots is worthless unless we give it 100% on no days like tomorrow. a bunch of you are going to run deep in huge tournaments. I always find it a huge shame when I don't give everything 100%. Tomorrow I'm going to have no regrets, if I bust a tournament early through a bad beat that's fine, we have so many chances at glory tomorrow. Throughout the day just play your a game, focus and collect extra lives that you can trade in when you get unlucky for a part of your stack. It's an absolutely fact that majority of our opponents will crumble after running bad during periods tomorrow. Being able to visualize your focused self, not care about bad beats and being in the zone focusing only on winning every single hand (winning can mean folding) and then visualize the negative part of yourself, the guy playing his sloppy C game, make sure when young to sleep this time on Monday morning that you know you gave it everything, if you do I got no doubts each and every one of you have amazing chances of great individual success. Let's ****ing gooooooooooooooooooooooooo"


Overall, things went pretty well. When TCOOP comes around and everybody's buy ins are both higher and in turbo format things can go pretty south, but our guys grinded pretty hard outside of the series events and we started the year off on a good foot:

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Old 02-04-2017, 09:51 PM   #113
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So u think K9 is not a push in the CO for 13bb huh?

updates on the bet vs the swedes?
Updating some scores then will post. And k9 is most overrated hand in poker!

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What are the hours expected to be put in by each horse? Playing and study time.

I'm assuming pretty much everyone is comparable to a full-time job given the way the stable tends to push for study time, coaching, meetings etc but also getting in reasonable volume.
Yeah its basically like a full time job. Few guys study etc too, but its expected to treat it as a full time job in terms of hours/commitment.

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Old 02-04-2017, 10:14 PM   #114
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So Romeo and I bet against Lena and cdarwin, in WCOOP, Sam, Tomi and I did really well and beat the Swedes in pretty biggish bet. This time Sam and Tomi didnt really play much so I teamed up with Romeo.

We started really really bad, pretty bad runs everywhere whilst the Swedes were winning basically every tournament they played. I think one day romeo and I both bubbled the $530 whilst Lena won a 10,000 runner $11 TCOOP for $30,000

We grinded pretty hard back, but have ran somewhat poorly deepish in tournaments, overall we've cashed more times than they have, but they have cashed for around $50k more than us, its $170k vs $120k at the moment I think. Tomorrow is a big day though, two big runs and we still have a chance, doesn't look good though!

I have had some pretty good runs, won a pokerfest for $20k , 2nd in a pokerfest for $15k, 4th in a pokerfest, 2nd in b109, some deep runs on Sunday etc, but I've had 2-3 bullets every single day in the $530 6max turbo on Party without a single min cash and lots of brutality and Lena has won it I think 3 times if we had taken out that tournament we'd probably be even/ahead big day tomorrow anyway and lots of chances of getting close to even.

I'm personally settled down in London, but last month was a crazy unhealthy month for me, I ate so so so bad, did no exercise at all and was just inside the whole time.

Once the series is over tomorrow I will be spending February on the road to recovery. Eating well, training well, playing sports etc.
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:17 PM   #115
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Gl with the stable

why your twitch stream for PP was taken down from their channel ?
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:22 PM   #116
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hmmm, not sure buddy. Not intentionally I'm sure.
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Old 02-04-2017, 11:55 PM   #117
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great read great luck guys subbed etc
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Old 02-05-2017, 12:48 AM   #118
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Glad 2p2 brought this thread back. Great read so far, gl this year.
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Old 02-05-2017, 06:51 AM   #119
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Subbed! As the saying goes - you make your own luck and reading about your approach is very inspirational. All the best.
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Old 02-05-2017, 07:42 AM   #120
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Old 02-05-2017, 09:14 AM   #121
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been away for a week, nice to see this back on top of my subs' list
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Old 02-05-2017, 07:02 PM   #122
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Think I'm currently -30k for the day and no stacks at all. Worst Sunday ever by far, confirms the loss to the Swedes too, hopefully a badger can win something very very big!
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Old 02-05-2017, 10:50 PM   #123
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Who is currently the best midstakes reg?

On a more serious note, there are people who have 8bb+/100 at >bb1999?
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Old 02-05-2017, 11:21 PM   #124
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There is interesting hand I played in Party 5k today, lets discuss a bit of strategy.



Villain 3bets me pre flop, on the flop he checks.

Best strategy?

check flop, check turn unimproved
check flop, bet turn vs double check
bet flop, check turn
bet flop, bet turn shove river
bet flop, shove turn
shove flop
open fold flop

And why... Will give my opinion after a few others.
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Old 02-05-2017, 11:24 PM   #125
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fwiw with the Swedish bet I saw Lena 1/2 in big109 and 3/12 in supersonic and just snap closed stars and sent the money

Tiebreaker in SCOOP.
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