isn't 20-30% roi considered pretty good?

very average with 30-40 abi imo.

depends on the stakes, 10$/game can be good if 70% of the boys play the micros.

20-30% definitely qualifies as 'pretty good' at 30-40 abi over a very large sample rather than 'very average'

source: am very average player

alright, i might be then a bit off with ROI numbers.

seems like $10 per game. avg buy $50 = 20% roi. $100 = 10% roi

What was up with the angle shoot in Barcelona?

https://www.facebook.com/PokerStarsLIVE/

ship it!

gg machine!

Is that even allowed? Where I come from "You got it" means that you actually have the pot.

Cliffs? Can't seem to find the alleged angle...

Lol.. when skill runs out, use the head fake.

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObedientSleepyKathyKlappa

For ref...

https://clips.twitch.tv/ObedientSleepyKathyKlappa

I'm undecided. Pads said on Twitter they were just having fun so w/e

it came across quite bad, but I don't think it was an intended angle tho

Agreed, but really close when viewed in a vacuum.

Not an angle

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Imho pretty clear pads said "you got it" referenced to the fact the guy had a ace/good hand

Yeah, and implies a fold.

Ooooooooo just wait until *CHOMP sees this!

With the tone of pads voice when he said, "you got it" and then followed with "nice hand" it sounded to me like he was implying fold and it is an angleshoot. It was more so a, "you got it, I give up, nice hand" not a, "you got it?" in the form of a question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-tI041TLI8

Sorry i cant embed i suck at the internet.

If this guy did and said the exact same thing would you have the same opinion?

We know its not a angle because you work with Bitb but do you want to elaborate on what makes it so obvious to the neutral observer that it wasn't a angle?

It seemed like a angle to me in a vacuum when look at the eyes when the comments were made seemed to change drastically didn't appear to be said in a joking or friendly way. Its also lacking context of being on the bubble and have no idea of any history between the 2 players. Stars couldn't wait to upload it to their social media page to **** on a rep of the site that will eventually take their top spot that does seem convenient.

Guess im old school but i just play my hands and don't engage in any of this crap. Imagine playing with 8 Will Kasoufs and poker becomes unplayable.

Obviously he's just going to deny it and hope it goes away. If it was the other way around he'd be posting everywhere saying he was angled!

To make it clear; nobody is saying this isn't an angle in a vacuum without context, right?

Guys if this is the one clip that's worth you discussing from watching the whole of today it's very sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Hc...ature=youtu.be

Try 2:45:00 go to that timeline.

Haters gonna hate. Ask him, Akkari. Mark, anybody else at the table what they thought, was very far from an angle. I actually had 6 high and it was hand for hand and I was getting reads for later on in the day. You can see That in he hand above.

So you were in fact angling to get a reaction. Ok.

Actually I should clarify why this is still a straight up angle. The fact that you aren't going to call doesn't make it ok to do stuff like this. You wanted to provoke a reaction by saying something dubious like "you got it, nice hand", which is straight up forfeiting the pot but then you don't release your cards. Now you might argue that "I didn't say fold or nothing" but that's what angling is; trying to get advantages that are technically within the rules (or might be allowed by floors if a ruling is asked). Do you think there is a 0% chance that if he calls the floor he will rule your hand dead?

am i the only one interested in the 8s vs aces hand? if im not mistaken and pokernews reported it wrong you 3b then got called cold 4b called an lead jam like a 355 flop or something on those lines?