Interesting thread, I'm in.

while i understand your worries i dont think i am out of line with my question and is reasonable

saying i think optimal cbet flop should be for ex 70-75 doesnt say nothing strategically because for first there is "significant gap" between 70-75 and second it doesnt say what sizing and on what board texture to do what (cbet or not cbet)
saying optimal pfr 17-23 doesnt say nothing in particular (because you can have like for extreme 8 EP vpip and 70LP open),
saying xr flop 15-20 doesnt say anything etc etc etc

even if he gives exactly numbers, not numbers range, that doesnt say anything in particular because there are different ways to get to that number

to sum it up so while is true and i agree that giving borders what should be optimal is valuable because is setting up road so one can try to achieve/improve faster,but if you dont know how to achieve/get to that point in right way u cant get any value out of that info...
i mean knowing to run, kick ball, having great equipment and the rules of football doesnt make you good football player right?
knowing that some players that you think are very very good have x/r 17% on flop doesnt do nothing to your game (because you need to put the work in and to figure out how to get to that number, what hands to x/r with, on what board textures, with what stack deepth etc etc etc and still at the end maybe you have totally wrong reasoning and understanding of game etc and you will get to that number but you will get there in wrong way and that will do more harm to your game...
think when someone goes to gum first timeand start lifting weights,they look at experience guys and try to mimic what they do without proper understanding)



any way long story short my understanding of involving in this thread was :

and thats why i ask this question and dont think that is something that is like top secret and should not be talked about

gl at the tables

the football analogy is not a good one, there isnt software/programs that will literally tells you what do to. Anyone playing poker for a living in 2017 has a brain and it wouldn't be hard for regs to fire up crev or pio and improve their cbet % or whatever. But people are lazy, they dont look for leaks themselves. If they are pointed out to them its easy to fix.

I know optimal cbet is not 70-75%, you can have that one

^ pretty sure it's 64.7

nice to see the thread back

close

Haha re8uz v nice try

interesting thread, rly liking the posts pads!

Yeah, hopefully give piles of cash to reg at end of the year

Its nice people say good stuff, still plenty of money to be won for anybody outside of the stable who works hard though.

gracias

haha maybe after tomorrow with 3 shells in party 5k ill be in touch to offload some!


ty for being involved guys


Just as easy for us to lose it back Gotta keep on it


gracias amigos

It depends on stakes, I think anything above 8 at 1999+ is crushing very hard. People throw around that they're winning at 10+evbb/100, but like I said, a lot of that comes from early levels vs huge donators, it doesn't really impact your roi that much, a lot of people post graphs saying, look, I'm winning at 10evbb+/100 and I'm still losing,i run so bad, but its so far from the truth. Roi comes from a lot of different things, mostly how good you are at 999+ blinds though.

thanks!

Nice, feel free to ask whatever you want, happy to help.


the OG itt. Badgers is indeed the best way to describe, will do that from now on. For anybody uncertain about why badgers:

https://www.bitb-staking.com/2016/11...-honey-badger/


Yeah, I mean pretty absurd for me to post all of this stuff

But anyway, it changes all the time, so it doesn't even matter so much, we are working extremely hard behind the scenes where even the badgers don't realise to understand exactly what is optimal, whether that be through solvers vs population tendencies or intensive database work or analysis reg vs reg and win rate vs win rate, that even if we say cbets down the streets should be 50/60/50 (this isn't right) it doesn't mean it can't be 30/70/90 or 50/20/80 etc in the future. We are never standing still and our stable as a whole plays very very differently now to how they did 1 year ago and I'm sure in 1 year we will have a different approach again. What we have seen is that we start doing things and then the rest of the population starts to imitate and do the same stuff, so its important we are on our feet and planning strategical things moving forward all the time.

haha, in Newcastle we say "shy bairns get nout"

Hey Vinny, nice to see you! Hope things are going well.

Thanks buddy

Yeah thats the thing though, what we think and what everybody else thinks is different and our players (many of whom have 6 figure bankrolls) give 50%of their winnings so that the information they get isn't public. Very detailed strategical gameplan stuff isn't really applicable for the thread, I will be doing some videos of big tournaments I have won/final tabled and go through everything there in a little less detail though, so hold tight.

Yeah it is kind of annoying for us sometimes, and probably have a bit too big of an ego about ourselves, but in our opinion, there is probably 300 really good people to stake in the world. 200 of them are currently staked by other companies/people and it kind of leaves us confused at times, we want to do everything in our power to make it not even an option to be staked by anybody else unless you want to cost yourself money. Maybe people think its a geek show here, but couldn't be further from the truth, our guys meet up regularly, drink, degen, its actually pretty fun place to be. Work hard, play hard.

Thanks boys.

So u think K9 is not a push in the CO for 13bb huh?

updates on the bet vs the swedes?

What are the hours expected to be put in by each horse? Playing and study time.

I'm assuming pretty much everyone is comparable to a full-time job given the way the stable tends to push for study time, coaching, meetings etc but also getting in reasonable volume.

subbed gl on the tables to you and your team

January review:

Soo... new tiers, new schedules, new years optimism! The goal of $5m is of course super ambitious, its unlikely, but I'd rather have ambitious goals that I make 1 in 5 times than nitty goals I barely struggle myself with and are an almost certainty to make.

We had the following coachings:

HealTheWorld: Bvb 30-50bb deep, pio solver + node locking max exploit
Graftekkel: Detailed hand history review
Bencb: Complex icm modelling
James Whittet: Table selection, ego and winners tilt
Dietrich Fast: Focusing on river play
Apotheosis: Exploiting cbets
Dietrich Fast: 3betting as the bb
Oxota: Strong hands analysis with pio/crev

Elmerixx and myself did 6 streams between us between 3-6 hours each, basically just live play 4-12 tables

Elmerixx and myself did 4 cool down sessions, going over all saved hands from our sessions and Romeopro/Graftekkel joined us.

Before the first big Sunday, I was pretty pumped and left the message for the guys in announcements:

"Big day tomorrow @everyone this is literally what we play poker for. All the hard work mon-sat in the lab, all the streams, all the coachings, all the hand analysis on forum, all the hours spent in bed visualizing hands and thinkng over spots is worthless unless we give it 100% on no days like tomorrow. a bunch of you are going to run deep in huge tournaments. I always find it a huge shame when I don't give everything 100%. Tomorrow I'm going to have no regrets, if I bust a tournament early through a bad beat that's fine, we have so many chances at glory tomorrow. Throughout the day just play your a game, focus and collect extra lives that you can trade in when you get unlucky for a part of your stack. It's an absolutely fact that majority of our opponents will crumble after running bad during periods tomorrow. Being able to visualize your focused self, not care about bad beats and being in the zone focusing only on winning every single hand (winning can mean folding) and then visualize the negative part of yourself, the guy playing his sloppy C game, make sure when young to sleep this time on Monday morning that you know you gave it everything, if you do I got no doubts each and every one of you have amazing chances of great individual success. Let's ****ing gooooooooooooooooooooooooo"


Overall, things went pretty well. When TCOOP comes around and everybody's buy ins are both higher and in turbo format things can go pretty south, but our guys grinded pretty hard outside of the series events and we started the year off on a good foot:

Updating some scores then will post. And k9 is most overrated hand in poker!

Yeah its basically like a full time job. Few guys study etc too, but its expected to treat it as a full time job in terms of hours/commitment.

thanks buddy, fun playing with you at the tables.

So Romeo and I bet against Lena and cdarwin, in WCOOP, Sam, Tomi and I did really well and beat the Swedes in pretty biggish bet. This time Sam and Tomi didnt really play much so I teamed up with Romeo.

We started really really bad, pretty bad runs everywhere whilst the Swedes were winning basically every tournament they played. I think one day romeo and I both bubbled the $530 whilst Lena won a 10,000 runner $11 TCOOP for $30,000

We grinded pretty hard back, but have ran somewhat poorly deepish in tournaments, overall we've cashed more times than they have, but they have cashed for around $50k more than us, its $170k vs $120k at the moment I think. Tomorrow is a big day though, two big runs and we still have a chance, doesn't look good though!

I have had some pretty good runs, won a pokerfest for $20k , 2nd in a pokerfest for $15k, 4th in a pokerfest, 2nd in b109, some deep runs on Sunday etc, but I've had 2-3 bullets every single day in the $530 6max turbo on Party without a single min cash and lots of brutality and Lena has won it I think 3 times if we had taken out that tournament we'd probably be even/ahead big day tomorrow anyway and lots of chances of getting close to even.

I'm personally settled down in London, but last month was a crazy unhealthy month for me, I ate so so so bad, did no exercise at all and was just inside the whole time.

Once the series is over tomorrow I will be spending February on the road to recovery. Eating well, training well, playing sports etc.

Gl with the stable

why your twitch stream for PP was taken down from their channel ?

hmmm, not sure buddy. Not intentionally I'm sure.

great read great luck guys subbed etc

Glad 2p2 brought this thread back. Great read so far, gl this year.

Subbed! As the saying goes - you make your own luck and reading about your approach is very inspirational. All the best.

If you dont try/ask, the answer will always be no ;-)

been away for a week, nice to see this back on top of my subs' list

Think I'm currently -30k for the day and no stacks at all. Worst Sunday ever by far, confirms the loss to the Swedes too, hopefully a badger can win something very very big!

Who is currently the best midstakes reg?

On a more serious note, there are people who have 8bb+/100 at >bb1999?

There is interesting hand I played in Party 5k today, lets discuss a bit of strategy.



Villain 3bets me pre flop, on the flop he checks.

Best strategy?

check flop, check turn unimproved
check flop, bet turn vs double check
bet flop, check turn
bet flop, bet turn shove river
bet flop, shove turn
shove flop
open fold flop

And why... Will give my opinion after a few others.

fwiw with the Swedish bet I saw Lena 1/2 in big109 and 3/12 in supersonic and just snap closed stars and sent the money

Tiebreaker in SCOOP.