Going to nitpick but gains are small after the first 2 years IF their diet and exercise regimen was on point which it probably isn't.

any update on this????

Another thing ceegee for a newbie like me what site would you recommend me to play to grind my way to the top starting on plo25 how many tables??? zoom or regular??? thanks man

I believe regular tables have less rake, so I would definitely play on those. As for sites, I think chicagojoey said the rake is less on euro sites for micros.

Day 1

Since I feel like I'm starting over, I've decided to try and update this thread each time I put a session in. One of my goals is consistency, so I will try hard to update this regardless of results. I'll include a small explanation of the day, and what I can do next session to progress.

I'm going to try and play 1k hands a day ~5 days a week.
Stop-loss of 5 buy-ins. I'll be playing mostly 1/2 - 2/4 until I feel comfortable with my bankroll and confident again.

Today was my first session since Thursday. It felt good to take a break, as it's hard to play back to back days for a long time. I felt slightly rusty, and made a few big mistakes. Adjusting to 1/2 will take a little time, and I'm bound to make some mistakes. I need to stop trying to win every hand, and c-bet less. I think it was a bit high, which puts me in awkward turn situations.

What do you think your biggest leaks are right now?

Being impatient. This causes a numerous amount of issues like; Bad game selection, over-bluffing, trying to win everyday etc...

I feel my strategy is well developed, but there is a lot to my mental game that is holding me back from being a consistent winner.

Hey, what can U say about MDUczuczukwe ?

Day 2

Interesting day...
So it started off with me not getting much sleep. I got about 5 hours of light and restless sleep. My first thought was, "I should not play today". My second thought, "Nah I'm up, and I need to get hands in". Probably should have gone with my first thought.

I downed this new drink my girlfriend got called Coffiest. It's from the makers of soylent, and is suppose to be a breakfast replacement. It's decent tasting, and has a lot of caffeine (150mg) so it gives a strong buzz. So i'm fairly tired, and now drinking a lot of caffeine. I start my session. After a hour I'm buzzing hard (I'm very sensitive to caffeine.) and feel good even though I'm down almost 6 buy-ins already. A little while longer and the buzz full hits and I'm potentially not making a good decision by continuing, but something in my head is saying, "you're fine just grind."

At one point I was firing 5 tables, 4 200z, and 1 regular 3/6 ante table. Bad idea. Eventually I took away the 3/6 and focused hard. I felt like I now slipped into a comfortable state and kept grinding. I recovered losses, and now just quit, but I felt really out of control in the beginning. I think on the days I don't feel like grinding, I should make a compromise and just play 1-2 tables until I feel better.

Not really sure, he seems like a winning reg.

Hey glad you're giving the thread some semi regular attention. I know we've talked about this a bit in person, but I'm compelled to write a little.

First things first, from the small amount I have played with you online over the course of the year I have seen the quality of your game improve, which is obviously great. I'm surely one of the absolute worst multitablers around so take what i write for what it's worth to you I suppose.

Online bankroll management has always been a precarious thing for the both of us. I think the ability to add tables, click reload, move up higher could always be a struggle; never mind game selecting. Eventually I got to a point where I was doing fine, but it had me putting lots of restrictions on myself because I couldn't trust myself not to get caught up in the table adding, get even for the day late night frenzy.

The main rule was that at a certain time I would have to play lower stakes if I wanted to grind in the late afternoon. This was great because losing at these stakes didn't affect me enough to want to chase, but bad because often times good games were going that I didn't trust myself to play. I had this rule the last time I was grinding full time, but not during my more recent appearances where I would play a bunch of tables like crap and inevitably **** the bed.

Your 1 and 2 tabling big blind/100 may not make as much as 6/100 4 or 5 tabling, but your risk of ruin when multi tabling is a disaster, so while it is most likely a certainty you aren't a worse multitabler than I am, we still both do all of the other bad **** far to frequently when we starting adding that 3rd table. I think you maybe shouldn't ever try justifying adding a 3rd unless you're just on a tourney grind, and then 0 cash on the side.

I would also strongly suggest finding a way to play live a lot. I have never had a stop loss problem live because I arrive with my stop loss in my pocket and hate to borrow. Being forced to play live was probably the best thing that could've happened to my poker game. I think you should embrace your edge there. Take a trip to Commerce or something every now and again or something. I know you've put your live hours in, and maybe it's not for you, but I think it could be helpful. It basically mitigated all of my leaks from playing online.

<3

As a fellow caffeine addict, I think you should lay off the coffee before grind

It'll perk you up but you can't tell when you're gonna crash mid-sesh
And if you need the coffee to actually grind, you probably don't want to be grinding at the time

...Or don't, makes me more $

Hey.
ya i totally agree with you. I'm going to focus on less tables as the original plan was, and drop the idea of 4-5 tabling zoom. I think 3 zoom tables is my threshold, any more and I'm losing a bit of EV i'm sure from my red line dropping.
Thanks <3

Ya, I don't always neeeeed coffee, but I just like the focus it brings me in the morning.

Day 3

I've recently gotten a deal with someone. I can now play a bit higher, and will be focusing on 2/4-5/10 again which is nice, I'm not going to go into the deal, but it's basically a standard backing deal. This is great since it will alleviate a lot of the stress of variance and I won't have to use my savings.

I decided to go into today with a solid plan. Play 3-4 tables, a mix of zoom and regular 2/4-5/10. Game select hard, and take breaks.

1. Meditate
2. Eat/Coffee
3. Play
4. Break to walk dogs/evalute morning session
5. Play
6. review afternoon session/write this

This is my routine most days when I play. On the days I work out, I skip my morning session.

I played a max of 4 tables all day. It was mostly two zoom and two regular. I felt good about the amount, and my level of focus. I had only one slight distraction today, I need to red button my Skype so I'm not tempted to type while playing, but other than that, I feel really zoned-in and know what is good for me and what isn't. As long as I keep in this zone, and do what I know is good for me, I'm happy.

I did win slightly, but the graph is in big blinds so it's deceptive since I played multiple stakes.

Congrats on the backing deal. Are you going to continue updating this thread with your progress back to the top?

I love PLO so would like to follow your progress. I'm in the States so unfortunately I don't get to partake.

GL whether you decide to update or not.

Day 4

Woke up a bit groggy from a late night last night, but a Coffiest changed that Went to my PT session, then came back and started my grind. I felt great, I played a max of 3 zoom tables all day, and no more than 4 tables at a time. I was focused and felt I played well. Near the end of the session I started feeling a lack of focus so I quit. I think even taking it back to 2 zoom tables would be best if I'm playing 4 tables. Overall a good day, not exactly the volume I'd like, but it felt good to quit a nice winner on the day.

Day 5

Rough day. Woke up a bit late, but that's fine. Had a Coffiest and started the grind. Everything went really well for awhile, and then I took a break to walk the dogs. I came back and it seemed like I was getting into a lot of ugly spots. I took a bunch of really bad beats at 2/5 two pairs vs my sets and they hit a bigger full house, etc... I went to quit at my stop loss and lost one extra hand unfortunately, but I'm pretty happy with how I quit when I hit it. I think being in a backing deal puts more pressure on me to quit when I hit my stop loss, which is definitely a great thing for me.

I wanted to quit at 600 hands today, but felt like I should be putting in at least 1k a day as the games were pretty good, and zoom had just gotten good. So mentally is was hard to lose after deciding to put in more volume, but I think it was a good decision and I can't be results oriented. Overall, good start, rough finish, played a few hands poorly, but overall ok with how things went.

Sounds like your mental game has improved recently, gl

GL man, really nice thread. I play on US sites, but it seems like those zoom games have bigger swings..

Should be mostly a nature of more hands/hour. I'm also grinding PLO in the US and playing 6+ tables across a few sites makes it pretty easy to swing ~15buy ins a day.

Day 6

I woke up early to get a morning session in before my dentist appointment. I meditated and then had a Coffiest (I swear i'm not sponsored by them, although I wish I was). I felt pretty good, and kept within my rules. No more than 4 tables at a time, and only 2-3 zoom. I played well, and was focused. After my morning session, I went to the dentist. Never a pleasant experience, but as far as dentists go this one is great because, they have a T.V. on the ceiling you can watch with headphones, which makes it a nicer experience. After the dentist I actually felt like playing, and the pools were great so I did. Played well, and took some gross beats, but pretty happy with everything overall today.

Sometimes I have a hard time playing more after having a winning session because, I want to "lock up" the winning session. I think this mentality is good and bad. It's good because it gives my mind peace. It's bad because I miss out on good pools just because I'm afraid of losing the winnings back. So in the future I need to erase this mentality of "locking up wins" and just keep playing if the games are good. The only reason I shouldn't play is if I don't feel focused, I hit my stop loss, or the games aren't good.

Day 7

Woke up, and started my grind after getting some breakfast. I'm all out of coffiest and they halted production for 10 days (some vitamin replacement). I replaced it with a coffee, and for the most part, it serves the same purpose, but coffiest is more enjoyable for me. Morning session was very frustrating, as I took some beats in big pots, but made a few big hands and felt good. Afternoon session was short but sweet. Put in some zoom hands, and I felt focused. Pretty happy with the day overall. I kept to 4 tables, and at some times it was all regular tables, so a bit slow, but I felt I kept focus well.

Do you drink any other Soylent products? I went to buy some coffiest but unfortunately they're all out right now.

I don't. Coffiest was the only one I tried, and I really liked it. Great for grinding as it gives an even energy. They should start taking orders again a week or so I believe.

I bought some Soylent 2.0 I'll let you know if it's any good.