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Old 04-12-2014, 04:40 PM   #176
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Re: From 10nl to 100nl - The Blueprint

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Subbed. On a similar path as you. Binked a couple of freeroll mtts back in November and have been grinding it up ever since. Found your thread because I'm thinking about doing a PCG thread of my own. Good luck.
Welcome, thanks and best of luck to you too mate
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:37 AM   #177
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Happy to go over them 2 hands if you want on here or in pm.
I think you had AK in the first and QQ in the second.

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Old 04-13-2014, 07:53 AM   #178
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Re: From 10nl to 100nl - The Blueprint

Hand #1

With this many people in the pot I thought it might be kool to call here with QXs you know just in case I flop something..

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP2: $10.00
CO: $14.01
BTN: $10.57
Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $10.00
UTG: $23.12
UTG+1: $12.98
UTG+2: $19.63
MP1: $8.31

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 4 Q
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.60) 7 J 8 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets $1, MP1 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1, UTG raises to $4.30, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, CO calls $3.30, Hero calls $3.30

Turn: ($16.50) 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $5.80, Hero calls $5.45 all in, UTG calls $5.80

River: ($33.55) 3 (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG checks, CO checks

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Hand #2

Honestly I want to fold here. When he raises my flop bet my first instincts are QK. There was also two card to the flush on board and he may be raising with a straight draw. Whilst I want to fold cos I know this is trouble in the back of my mind I know I have outs to the full house. So I call the flop raise. When he bets the turn Im now 90% sure he has QK. Looking back I think this would have been the place to fold. It is correct to fold on the turn on here??

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $10.57
Hero (MP): $31.37
CO: $10.00
BTN: $13.05
SB: $13.03
BB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) J T 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BTN raises to $2.80, SB folds, Hero calls $2.20

Turn: ($6.60) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.90, Hero calls $5.90

River: ($18.40) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $5.80, BTN calls $4.05 all in

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Old 04-13-2014, 08:17 AM   #179
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I think you had AK in the first and QQ in the second.

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Hand #1

Ok I 3bet, you 4 bet - I call.

Im putting you on AK, AQ, QQ, KK, AA

Im expecting you to cbet the flop. So I call to see what your turn move is and just in case you have missed with AK.

When you bet the turn Im done with the hand and I think you have AQ, KK, AA??

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $10.00
BTN: $7.62
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $10.15
UTG: $10.25
UTG+1: $10.08
UTG+2: $4.90
MP1: $9.40
MP2: $11.49

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB ??
5 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.90, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.90, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.90) Q T 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

Turn: ($9.10) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.50 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $9.10
CO wins $8.69
(Rake: $0.41)

Hand 2

Do you have AQ, AJ, A10?

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CO: $11.46
BTN: $12.89
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $10.15
UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $10.00
UTG+2: $19.36
MP1: $9.40
MP2: $14.31

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with ??
3 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, BB raises to $2.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.60) K 7 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($4.60) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.95, Hero calls $1.95

River: ($8.50) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.70, BB folds

Final Pot: $8.50
Hero mucks ??
Hero wins $8.12
(Rake: $0.38)


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Old 04-13-2014, 08:29 AM   #180
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Hand 1 is an easy fold pre, silly hand.

Hand 2, I think it's a jam on the flop.
You're getting called by JJ, 99, AJ-JT, KQ, 78, probably QT, T8. QQ-AA. AKcc, AQcc. Plugging that into pokerstove I've got 63% equity. Maybe a few of those are a stretch but I think it's still a jam. Even in those situations where he has the straight already, you've got redraws to the boat and he is getting it in worse a lot of the time too.

That said I can't beat 10nl! =D
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Old 04-13-2014, 08:55 AM   #181
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Re: From 10nl to 100nl - The Blueprint

Yeah, id be interested with what you had ... PM me if you like.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:19 AM   #182
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Re: From 10nl to 100nl - The Blueprint

Hand #2 - I'm leaning towards folding on the turn because he's only got $4.05 left.
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:35 AM   #183
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Hand 1 is an easy fold pre, silly hand.

Hand 2, I think it's a jam on the flop.
You're getting called by JJ, 99, AJ-JT, KQ, 78, probably QT, T8. QQ-AA. AKcc, AQcc. Plugging that into pokerstove I've got 63% equity. Maybe a few of those are a stretch but I think it's still a jam. Even in those situations where he has the straight already, you've got redraws to the boat and he is getting it in worse a lot of the time too.

That said I can't beat 10nl! =D
I definitely wouldn't jam the flop.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:41 PM   #184
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I definitely wouldn't jam the flop.
okay, why.
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Old 04-13-2014, 01:34 PM   #185
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okay, why.
Not knowing anything about the villain i'd say that you're behind most of the hands in his range that would call that bet.
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Old 04-13-2014, 02:00 PM   #186
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Not knowing anything about the villain i'd say that you're behind most of the hands in his range that would call that bet.
I listed a range of hands that I thought would call there including top or second pair with the straight draw, some overpairs and tptk because lets face it its 10nl. where's the range you're thinking of and what's the equity? do the math work, man.
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Old 04-13-2014, 02:43 PM   #187
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I listed a range of hands that I thought would call there including top or second pair with the straight draw, some overpairs and tptk because lets face it its 10nl. where's the range you're thinking of and what's the equity? do the math work, man.
Again, not knowing anything about the villain I think that any overpair would have 3bet preflop, so I would take the over pairs out of his range. If the villian has JJ we're way behind, if he has 99 we're way ahead. obviously he could have KQ/KQs which he did. I think the other hands that would reliably call here are the combo draws where he's either slightly ahead or slightly behind. I don't think that the villain is reliably calling here with just a oesd or a flush draw. All in all I'd concede its a neutral ev play at best.

Putting my whole stack in for a coin flip is not where I make my money at microstakes. There are much bigger edges to exploit. So like I said, I wouldn't shove on the flop, as either a 3bet or as a 3bet all in (i don't think you specified).
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Old 04-13-2014, 02:51 PM   #188
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Again, not knowing anything about the villain I think that any overpair would have 3bet preflop, so I would take the over pairs out of his range. If the villian has JJ we're way behind, if he has 99 we're way ahead. obviously he could have KQ/KQs which he did. I think the other hands that would reliably call here are the combo draws where he's either slightly ahead or slightly behind. I don't think that the villain is reliably calling here with just a oesd or a flush draw. All in all I'd concede its a neutral ev play at best.

Putting my whole stack in for a coin flip is not where I make my money at microstakes. There are much bigger edges to exploit. So like I said, I wouldn't shove on the flop, as either a 3bet or as a 3bet all in (i don't think you specified).
Almost everyone at this stake is snapping it off with an OESD or flush draw.
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Old 04-13-2014, 03:59 PM   #189
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Im confused ... do you even play $10nl full ring Mekhami ?

Because this level is insanely nitty / tagish and most are just not stacking off with draws.
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Old 04-13-2014, 04:09 PM   #190
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Im confused ... do you even play $10nl full ring Mekhami ?

Because this level is insanely nitty / tagish and most are just not stacking off with draws.
I do, but not on stars. i'm a sad american.
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Old 04-13-2014, 04:42 PM   #191
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$10nl FR is a horrible level on Stars ... a lot of lost souls there tbh ..

I must be the biggest lost soul there because ive played over 130k hands on it
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Old 04-13-2014, 04:47 PM   #192
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Almost everyone at this stake is snapping it off with an OESD or flush draw.
Raising all in with OESD and FD because they have read they have to do that as semi bluff with equity but not many are calling I don't think.
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Old 04-13-2014, 04:51 PM   #193
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Raising all in with OESD and FD because they have read they have to do that as semi bluff with equity but not many are calling I don't think.
the point is they are very frequently getting it in with draws, and yes, having played quite a bit (on merge and bovada) people are calling on the flop all in large effective stacks with naked draws, and definitely with draws that have a pair already. all the time.

This is a tournament hand, but I literally just played it and it's indicative of what the playerpool is like here:

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it's just all the time like this.
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Old 04-13-2014, 05:06 PM   #194
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Raising all in with OESD and FD because they have read they have to do that as semi bluff with equity but not many are calling I don't think.
I was curious .. and i checked my database and found only two times i got stacked against a FD and both times they called my shove.

I get players raising small with outs and then calling but i cannot see one where someone shoved their draw ..

Thats when i lost the pot ... hopefully there are many were i won the pot
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Old 04-13-2014, 07:26 PM   #195
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Re: From 10nl to 100nl - The Blueprint

So this is the level of Poker I currently play at. Think this is the equivalent of finding a fiver on the floor at the pub.

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CO: $16.97
BTN: $10.15
SB: $19.43
Hero (BB): $10.37
UTG: $6.00
UTG+1: $10.05
MP1: $8.43
MP2: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A A
2 folds, MP1 raises to $8.43 all in, 4 folds, Hero calls $8.33

Flop: ($16.91) 4 3 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($16.91) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($16.91) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

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Old 04-14-2014, 10:22 AM   #196
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the point is they are very frequently getting it in with draws, and yes, having played quite a bit (on merge and bovada) people are calling on the flop all in large effective stacks with naked draws, and definitely with draws that have a pair already. all the time.

it's just all the time like this.
We may have moved beyond this point, but as a 10nl reg on Merge, I can confirm this to be true (especially the bolded part).

However, I also very much agree with this:

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Putting my whole stack in for a coin flip is not where I make my money at microstakes. There are much bigger edges to exploit.
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:03 PM   #197
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Just another example of exactly what I'm talking about, these people are doing this all the time, why not get your money in when you're ahead? That said my edge here doesn't even beat the rake I think so it may not be right. the whole play might be wrong. I'm very bad at this game.

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Old 04-15-2014, 01:25 AM   #198
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Merge may be softer but I'd not be happy about getting it in on the flop with just tpgk, i would have maybe flatted his raise and re evaluate if/when the flush hits, at least now u can make a not that villain raises flop and calls all in with nfd tho but either way least u were ahead and those all ins evn out in the long run
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:26 AM   #199
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Think the weakest part of my game right now is not folding often up when I have 2nd best and when I know the villain "has it". Im gonna start posting more folds see if people think im making the right moves.

Lets kick things off:

The check raiser on the turn here is a big fish and it is perfectly plausible that he holds a 5 or a couple of weak clubs.

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MP2: $10.78
CO: $19.83
BTN: $10.86
SB: $12.75
BB: $7.60
Hero (UTG): $10.15
UTG+1: $10.10
MP1: $3.55

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 4 4
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) 2 A 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP2 calls $0.70, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.10) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, MP2 calls $1.80, SB raises to $5.30, Hero folds, MP2 folds

Final Pot: $8.50
SB wins $8.12
(Rake: $0.38)
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Old 04-16-2014, 10:39 AM   #200
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Yeah, I think its a fold. The only other hand he might check raise you with (other than a bluff) is A4, which is unlikely since you're holding 2 of them. Maybe 22, 33 if he's the sort of opponent to wait til the turn to get aggressive when flopping a set. Is he the sort of opponent who would flat AA preflop?

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