First off he was loose and probably attempting a steal from the cutoff relatively weak. I was in position and on the button. Playing 3bet pots in position is profitable.

I only had about 150 hands on him so the high 4bet stat wasent overly reliable, but when he does 4bet its only 17 big blinds so I figure this is just a move he likes to pull rather than fold and he isnt that strong.

Given that I have an Ace 3 suited I figure it is worthwhile to see the flop in position for potential flush or straight draws plus hitting the ace will prob win me the hand.

Donk bet was 0 for villain but dont think there is enough hands for these stats to be realiable.

His 3bet was 12.8
and his 4bet was 50% with a 4bet range of 12.7

Personally ... i would just call preflop IP with a hand like A3s.

I do not like the idea of putting in 17bb preflop with such a hand when his stack is less than 100bb

If his 3 bet stat is this high then can we discount KK,QQ,AKo and possibly even KQs,KJs.

What was his aggro % ?, it just seems like his hand range is getting thin here when he shoves.

He starts with $24 so that is basically a full stack.

Agg% 45

WTSD 40

Its not like I always 3bet with A3s on the button. But im just wondering after the 4bet if I should just fold rather than get into one of these messy spots that is gonna be marginal at best.

If I had A7s I would have just folded but the fact that the A3s also gives me the straight possibilities I was willing to play.

My VPIP in general has crept up to 18-19

So perhaps im getting into too many of these marginal spots through boredom, tilt, or lack of concentration in longer sessions. I would rather have my vpip around 15-16 so i will aim to play tighter and avoid any marginal situations when possible.

@Hap_Hazard

Can I ask what your VPIP is from the BB? or what I should be aiming for in FR here.

At 20 VPIP from BB I feel im playing too many hands from here. My BB winrate is -46bb which isnt too great.

There are easily enough 100nl games to 24 tbl there comfortably. The games might seem kinda tough to you now, but once you learn to play the regs there then it's a walk in the park. I currently play 100-400fr and i can easily get 16 games up at a given time with at least 1 fish per table.

It is far more likely that the leaks you mention are small leaks that amount to quite a lot when constantly doing so. Podcasts are good and also adding people on skype and making groups to discuss hand histories is an amazing way of getting better

GL

Well thats refreshing to hear and respect if you are crushing regs at 100-400nl. Yeah I think that is exactly it the small losses are adding up over a few k hands. Where as I analyse getting stacked, the small mistakes are going un-noticed. Its probably a lot down to unconscious incompetence as Jared Tendler puts it. The small mistakes im making arent apparent to me as mistakes yet because I've not yet learned that they are mistakes.

I listened to 17 episodes of Jared Tendler's mental game of poker podcast at work in 2 days. I have skype but have hardly ever used to it be honest and never for poker but im open for using anything that will help me learn.

Thanks for the advice.

thanks mate

Too high?

Well pretty sure you know more about poker than me bud. But im gonna guess that you are saying that your BB VPIP is 22 and you have a very nice win rate to go with it?

Quite a low PFR you have as well there, so looks as though you 3bet mainly your premium hands and are happy to call with the marginal stuff, mainly in SB v BB battles I would guess where you are in position.

Im back to BE @ 25nl after 20k hands. Makes me think I need to do more learning and less grinding right now.

Ok we are back in business..



Are the €uro tables softer than the USD $ tables in general? Or am I just on a heater when I sit down at Euro tables? Seems to be full of idiots throwing money at me as you might notice from my stack size in the next hand. Anyway here are the only 2 hands I lost that session, a couple of coolers.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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This was a €uros table dunno why the hand converter changed it to $

MP2: $11.55
CO: $25.00
BTN: $10.00
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $101.06
UTG: $10.97
UTG+1: $17.30
MP1: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 8 2
UTG calls $0.25, 6 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 2 T 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, UTG calls $1.25

River: ($4.10) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, UTG raises to $8.97 all in,

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG+2: $28.65
MP1: $16.61
MP2: $25.26
CO: $25.04
BTN: $23.90
Hero (SB): $26.85
BB: $29.62
UTG: $21.06
UTG+1: $28.22

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with K K
6 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, BTN raises to $5.75, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($11.75) 5 6 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.75, Hero raises to $21.10 all in,


Bankroll = $831

Euro tables definitely softer as a whole. Nice session!

Not many Euro tables though ..

Thanks for confirmation. I had never even played a Euro table prior to this month. I converted some USD to give me 75 Euros. In under 400 hands Ive tripled that 75 to 225 Euros. Obv there has been some run good in there but wouldnt have been possible without playing weak players.

Was thinking about this hand the other day while watching a training video of a similar situation and the coach was basically making the point that it isnt a great idea to 3bet an unknown player we dont have much history on (when we hold something marginal) as we really dont know what range he is playing with or our chances of getting him to fold to the 3bet.

I think if villain has a high fold to 3bet and we have decent hands on him then this would have been fine. But against an unknown its best to just fold or call here rather than 3bet.

Losing money, but not due to bad play so I can deal with that..



3 losing hands of note. 2 of em are just suckouts nothing much to talk about.

The other is AKs all in preflop, hand#1 below.

Here is our villain stats for Hand #1 below.



I dont feel comfortable getting it all in preflop with KK. However I seem to be more comfortable shoving AKs as there is less chance of running into AA, plus I have flush and straight draw possibilities. At these limits alot of people will only commit there stack with AA which is why I dont like KK all in preflop. Should I be playing AKs more similar to KK and calling a 4bet rather than 5 bet shoving??

Its not like I always 5 bet shove with AKs preflop but I am prepared to get aggressive with it and here I felt the villain didnt take my 3bet seriously cos I was on the button.

Hand #1
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $22.15
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $8.20
UTG: $32.32
UTG+1: $9.61
UTG+2: $25.85
MP1: $25.85
MP2: $19.65

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K A
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $4.75, Hero raises to $25 all in,

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG: $28.93
Hero (UTG+1): $32.60
UTG+2: $25.00
MP1: $9.57
MP2: $25.25
CO: $23.39
BTN: $29.11
SB: $25.50
BB: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with 5 5
UTG raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 7 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 6 5 Q (2 players)
UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.85) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.75, UTG raises to $26.68 all in,

Hand #3
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG: $10.75
UTG+1: $23.10
UTG+2: $24.54
MP1: $10.00
MP2: $17.36
CO: $10.60
BTN: $30.07
Hero (SB): $38.90
BB: $20.79

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A A
4 folds, MP2 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2

Flop: ($6.25) 9 3 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, MP2 raises to $14, Hero raises to $24.25, MP2 calls $0.36 all in



View all 3 hands

Hand1: is a fold once he 4bets given these positions.(especially at FR low limits)
Hand2: standard
hand3: standard(lol at the suckout!)

Nice thread!! keep it up

Ask yourself .. what a 15/10 type guy 4bets with from EP ? .. is he even raising AQ here, let alone 4 betting ?

I learned how expensive 3 betting a EP raise with hands like TT,JJ,QQ and AK can be at FR.

I would definitely just call with a hand like AKs IP vrs a EP raiser because you can flop big and have a disguised hand plus you can take down a lot of pots post flop when he will check / fold a lot on the turn with hands you beat preflop.

Thinking back to this hand and the session I think that the coolers I had suffered led to me playing this hand over aggressively. This was a bit out of character for me to play for 100bb stacks with AKs. Whilst I remained calm and dealt with the coolers at the time without bothering, by the time it got to the AKs hand I was probably subconsciously thinking that I am due "a bit of luck" or some stupid thinking of that nature. I was probably looking for him to fold JJ QQ AK type hands and if not hope for the best if stacks go in.

Hopefully this is the AKs hand that I learn from.

Lol at the tumble weed, been crazy busy recently. Ok updates.

I think I have a problem with my all round turn play.

My turn agg% = 47.28

Leakbuster tells me that this should be somewhere between: 20 and 38 so im quite a bit too high.

My turn cbet is = 42
Leakbuster says it should be = 35 to 53 - so I am ok here. This would suggest that im betting the turn too often when Im not the cbettor.

I would say that I float quite alot with medium PP. For example I call IP with 77. Call the flop cbet and when the villain shows weakness and checks the turn I will bet and take the pot down, but I thought this was a good thing. But it would seem this is giving me a high turn agg%.

I dont know how credible leakbsuter is as I dont see it being discussed or used on here too much. My W$SD is quite poor too suggesting that my high turn agg% is causing me to win a lot of pots at non showdown on the turn than perhaps checking back the turn,and winning extra money on the river when the villain tries to bluff me off pots or calls my river bet figuring that im weak after checking back the turn.


Another thing I feel that is hurting me is bluffing on the turn. Im always reading about having adequate amounts of bluffs to value bets. Ive been trying to punish people with a high betting frequency of like 70-80% by check raising the turn now and again. Obv check raising is when I am OOP and the villains seem to be calling me more often than not. Then on the river Im hesitant to bet again thinking villain must be adequately strong to have called the turn check raise so I dont want to waste more money and by this point I am weak anyway and have to fold to his river bet or check down.

This tends to happen on those sessions where there is just nothing happening, never hitting any flops villains fold when I get a set. I then start thinking I have to "play a bit" so the session isnt crashed into the red by mass accumulated non-showdown losses. Then when my turn bluff raises are called it is a very significant leak.

During long periods of not winning much how do I prevent myself from thinking "i haven't won anything for 1000 hands Ill need to start pulling some moves on the turn"?

I guess the answer would be in stats if I am overdoing anything on the turn:

turn agg%: 47.5
turn agg%: IP: 45.2
turn agg%: OOP: 48.9

turn cbet: 42.6
turn cbet: IP: 41.1
trun cbet: OOP: 44.1

turn Agg Factor 4.2
trun Agg Factor IP: 3.75
turn Agg Factor: OOP: 4.5

If there are glaring leaks please point them out, I feel something is wrong. It looks as if all my turn OOP stats are too high.

GL with your goals subbed

Thanks bud.

+$58 tonight

Bankroll $807

subbed, gl from a fellow 10nl reg