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08-12-2011, 09:38 AM
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by BenR
Have receive the book today, very happy about that.
I have a question if I may Jared. What do you think about subliminal message software? Can it really work?
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Great. Please let me know what you think.
Re: subliminal messages. In my experience I've found them to be short-term solutions. For that it can work, but to achieve long-term resolution of the real problem requires learning more than just forcing a message through your psyche. Real learning doesn't happen that way, and ultimately, learning or mastering the correction to the underlying cause of a problem is how you can truly move on from it. Otherwise, you become dependent on the software or the message to contain that problem. Rather than resolving the problem.
Does that help? Make sense?
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08-12-2011, 12:29 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Montreal, Canada
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
Yes thanks Jared.
I will continue using this kind of software since I think it help me since I use those and also I will try to master your book. That should do it.
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08-15-2011, 06:27 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 26
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
Any idea when (if at all) it will appear on Amazon.de, not that I want it in German but since I live in Switzerland it is much nicer with ordering from Germany, postage free and cheaper (compared to people living in Germany) as they cut the VAT.
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08-15-2011, 07:42 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Sheffield, England
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by samnova
Any idea when (if at all) it will appear on Amazon.de, not that I want it in German but since I live in Switzerland it is much nicer with ordering from Germany, postage free and cheaper (compared to people living in Germany) as they cut the VAT.
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Its on DE right now, however the European amazon orders are all shipped from the same place, the UK, not from Germany. Pick the cheapest postage option however, as the shipping times are much faster than amazon claims (for some reason amazon dont let you showcase anything other than their own shipping times).
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08-15-2011, 10:35 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: je pense, donk je suis.
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
The book hasn't helped me at all. I still do things I know are bad, I still spew uncontrollably. I have tracked my progress and my tilt is worse than ever. I followed everything in the book, I've prob spent at least 30 hours taking notes, writing things down and going through the process of preparing for a session, etc.
I'm glad this book has helped others but I've tried my hardest to do everything in the book and it hasn't helped at all. I am just incapable of bridging the gap between theory and performance and I'm really at a complete loss as to what to do now.
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08-15-2011, 12:47 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: flip/ship
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by 999
The book hasn't helped me at all. I still do things I know are bad, I still spew uncontrollably. I have tracked my progress and my tilt is worse than ever. I followed everything in the book, I've prob spent at least 30 hours taking notes, writing things down and going through the process of preparing for a session, etc.
I'm glad this book has helped others but I've tried my hardest to do everything in the book and it hasn't helped at all. I am just incapable of bridging the gap between theory and performance and I'm really at a complete loss as to what to do now.
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I haven't got the book yet but I think this is like the article Barry Carter made recently in his blog. It's much easier to know the theory and tell someone else how to do it, but it is infact scientifically proven that it's much harder to do when applying concepts to yourself. What you have to practice is distancing yourself mentally from the game and playing as objectively as you can, almost like you are coaching someone else sweating them.
Barry and Jared do you have anything to add to this?
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08-15-2011, 05:07 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 517
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by 999
The book hasn't helped me at all. I still do things I know are bad, I still spew uncontrollably. I have tracked my progress and my tilt is worse than ever. I followed everything in the book, I've prob spent at least 30 hours taking notes, writing things down and going through the process of preparing for a session, etc.
I'm glad this book has helped others but I've tried my hardest to do everything in the book and it hasn't helped at all. I am just incapable of bridging the gap between theory and performance and I'm really at a complete loss as to what to do now.
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It is hard to think about thinking. But that is precisely the meat and potatoes here. This book is not going to help everybody, but to those who take the time to dissect the information and are honest with themselves, the information will prove to be invaluable. I am not going to give my full review until I have had an opportunity to draw examples from real life applications of the principles. I am glad however that this book is going to miss most.
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08-15-2011, 05:59 PM
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by 999
The book hasn't helped me at all. I still do things I know are bad, I still spew uncontrollably. I have tracked my progress and my tilt is worse than ever. I followed everything in the book, I've prob spent at least 30 hours taking notes, writing things down and going through the process of preparing for a session, etc.
I'm glad this book has helped others but I've tried my hardest to do everything in the book and it hasn't helped at all. I am just incapable of bridging the gap between theory and performance and I'm really at a complete loss as to what to do now.
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I remember seeing your post about a month ago, so I'm assuming you've been working at it since then. Sorry to hear you've been struggling with it so much, here are a few thoughts, and feel free to post more details so I can help you break through the problem, or PM me.
If things are worse now than before, I'm assuming part of it is because you're working hard and not seeing results - frustrating in itself. However, the major part of why you're struggling, I suspect is caused by Accumulated Tilt - the tilt that has built up over time and actually stored in the brain. If the intensity of the anger that shows up when triggered, rapidly shuts down your mind and prevents you from remaining in control - Accumulated Tilt is the cause. Basically, even though you have increased your understanding of tilt, the anger is so intense, that you can't think well enough to use that knowledge to stop you from tilting. Is this what's happening?
Having worked as much as you have already, you're awareness and understanding of your tilt issues have likely increased (which is progress - and very often the first step) but, at this point are you clear on the underlying causes of your tilt, or do you want some help? Feel free to post some details on the types of tilt you're struggling with, and what you've done thus far to correct it.
Mastering tilt isn't a perfect science, so it's hard to know at the start what will and won't. While you've struggled so far, the fact that you've tracked progress and kept notes will definitely help you figure out the solution that will work. You're clearly motivated to solve this problem, and I'm happy to help you take the next steps necessary to get you there. Keep in mind too, that more serious issues can take longer to fix. I've had clients with more serious tilt problems who often take steps backwards like this at the beginning, before making progress. Keep at it. The solution is out there, it may just take more time that you hoped.
Post whatever you think will help me to better help you.
Last edited by Jared Tendler; 08-15-2011 at 06:19 PM.
Reason: Added a point that I forgot to make the first time.
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08-15-2011, 06:10 PM
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#99
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by 555kap555
I haven't got the book yet but I think this is like the article Barry Carter made recently in his blog. It's much easier to know the theory and tell someone else how to do it, but it is infact scientifically proven that it's much harder to do when applying concepts to yourself. What you have to practice is distancing yourself mentally from the game and playing as objectively as you can, almost like you are coaching someone else sweating them.
Barry and Jared do you have anything to add to this?
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This is a good point, though until 999 replies, I'm not certain the connection to what's causing the problem.
I will add that part of the reason that it's easier to comment on others than yourself has to do with degrees of learning. When it's on you to make an important decision at the table, there's more pressure, than commenting on it. When there's more pressure you have less brain space to think. Theoretically, there's a different Adult Learning Model depending on the intensity of the situation. So, while you may be Conscious Competent when commenting on another players hand or their tilt, when it's on you to play correctly or prevent tilt, your Consciously Incompetent (Aware of what to do, but not yet able to do it). Basically, the tougher the situation the more you have to learn something to master it. The easier the situation, the less you have to learn something to display some knowledge of it. Does that make sense? I talk about it a lot with clients - but not yet in a public forum.
Also: The act of commenting on others helps you to learn, because you're getting in the necessary repetitions/training, and moves you along the process to eventually being able to execute on that knowledge when it matters to you.
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08-15-2011, 06:33 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Dallas, TX
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by Jared Tendler
...Having worked as much as you have already, you're awareness and understanding of your tilt issues have likely increased (which is progress - and very often the first step) but, at this point are you clear on the underlying causes of your tilt, or do you want some help? Feel free to post some details on the types of tilt you're struggling with, and what you've done thus far to correct it.
Mastering tilt isn't a perfect science, so it's hard to know at the start what will and won't...
...Post whatever you think will help me to better help you.
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I think for me reading this book, is like lifting off a band aid and seeing a shark bite. Extremely overwhelming which makes you just want to shut down. (it sounds like this is what 999 is experiencing, yet unaware of it)
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Originally Posted by Jared Tendler
...I will add that part of the reason that it's easier to comment on others than yourself has to do with degrees of learning. When it's on you to make an important decision at the table, there's more pressure, than commenting on it. When there's more pressure you have less brain space to think. Theoretically, there's a different Adult Learning Model depending on the intensity of the situation. So, while you may be Conscious Competent when commenting on another players hand or their tilt, when it's on you to play correctly or prevent tilt, your Consciously Incompetent (Aware of what to do, but not yet able to do it)...
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Man, I am going to start sounding like a fanboy, but thanks a bunch for all of this information. Maybe it's just a lot of stuff hitting home here, but this book is really empowering in so many different ways.
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08-15-2011, 09:41 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
+1 kindle
Don't want to bother, just assumed the more we are the better
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08-16-2011, 11:29 AM
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#102
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by Dunamo
I think for me reading this book, is like lifting off a band aid and seeing a shark bite. Extremely overwhelming which makes you just want to shut down. (it sounds like this is what 999 is experiencing, yet unaware of it)
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Really good analogy.
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Originally Posted by Dunamo
Man, I am going to start sounding like a fanboy, but thanks a bunch for all of this information. Maybe it's just a lot of stuff hitting home here, but this book is really empowering in so many different ways.
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Awesome. Love to hear it. Yw
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08-16-2011, 11:32 AM
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#103
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by 69spades
+1 kindle
Don't want to bother, just assumed the more we are the better
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 no bother at all, plus it helps to know what formats are being requested most. Don't have a specific date yet, but will post here as soon as Kindle version is available.
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08-16-2011, 03:55 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 26
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
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Originally Posted by Daveshoelace
Its on DE right now, however the European amazon orders are all shipped from the same place, the UK, not from Germany. Pick the cheapest postage option however, as the shipping times are much faster than amazon claims (for some reason amazon dont let you showcase anything other than their own shipping times).
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Sorry for not getting back before now. Well, the book is not available directly from Amazon.co.uk or .de at the moment but through other sellers, with those I don't get free shipment and reduced price (from Germany to CH). The last package I got from Amazon Germany was actually sent from Germany (Still got the whole thing, as they f... up in prizing it so I ended up paying duty, they admitted it was their mistake and refunded me it).
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08-16-2011, 08:15 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SCRAMBOOOOOOOL
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Re: The Mental Game of Poker – New book by Jared Tendler
I was a bit sceptical about the book at first, because I never have monkey-tilt meltdowns. I knew I had problems, but I though they were unique. I was wrong. Jared had already saw it a hundred times and completely solved it. The chapter on mistake tilt was so life-changing to me. Other chapters were also very helpful.
Thanks to this book I went from agonizing and playing 250 hands of PLO a day to 1250 a day and feeling great about it. I've also made a lot of progress. When you get rid of the useless baggage things seem so easy. Also, my life got better in general. I don't need to cool down after playing so I have more time for other things. I also feel happier. I once againg enjoy small pleasures of life like going for a walk, playing some Black Ops or riding a bike.
Of course Jared is one step ahead of us and worns us in the book that you can't master the mental game that quick and you need to be on a lookout for overconfidence and setbacks.
I could really sit here and write forhours how great this book is.
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