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How can a losing player be a trainer? How can a losing player be a trainer?

01-01-2013 , 07:07 PM
Hello. I'm a member of Polish pokerstrategy section, and I would like to ask how is it possible that somembody whose profit after 23k games is -$180, and for the last year is constantly losing money. Geez, I understand that he had some results in the past(where poker was a much easier game), but how can I learn something from such a guy?
Trainer Nick: Wombat
Please check his stats on sharkscope. He's playing under the nick wombatox:
http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...ayers/wombatox
01-02-2013 , 03:50 PM
#2008donks notsure
02-05-2013 , 02:15 AM
some coaches are better than others ^^
02-06-2013 , 08:20 PM
Am I missing something or have you linked to the stats of someone who has played 2 tournaments and lost $10 in total?
02-07-2013 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ribbo
Am I missing something or have you linked to the stats of someone who has played 2 tournaments and lost $10 in total?
He locked himself up on sharkscope after seeing this post. Here's link to topsharkpro: http://pokerprolabs.com/wombatox/PokerStars. He also closed his blog on pokerstrategy, as people were complaing about his results(http://pl.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...290430&page=16)
02-07-2013 , 08:16 PM
How can a player pay a losing player to train them?


Chicken > Egg
02-08-2013 , 12:45 AM
For the record, I am a firm believer that the userbase is the best filter when it comes to coaching. It's a lot easier to pull the wool over the eyes of someone who is hiring coaches than it is to do with 200 users once you start coaching them.
02-09-2013 , 08:21 AM
Why do players want to coach in the first place? If they're good enough to be qualified to be a coach, why not just keep doing what they do, win at poker, instead of take up coaching? If it's a matter of pride and wanting to share what they know, they already probably do that with their friends when they talk about hands, etc.
02-15-2013 , 10:43 AM
They want to be a coach because being a coach doesn't exist variance. And the most part of PokerStrategy Coachs who actually give weekly trains are weak players.
02-17-2013 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Zyzz
They want to be a coach because being a coach doesn't exist variance. And the most part of PokerStrategy Coachs who actually give weekly trains are weak players.
Does it really matter? I mean, 99% of the live coachings are the same every week and have the same viewers every week and have the same people asking the same questions in the exactly same spot.
You could let a recording run and noone would notice the different. Then again; how can this be surprising when they are just playing SHC poker? Not at all.

Last week I sat on several SNG tables with a PST-Coach and I just had to look at the SHC in order to know what he would raise......that was a fun night.
02-17-2013 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoecrew
How can a player pay a losing player to train them?
+1

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02-21-2013 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by zingbust1
Why do players want to coach in the first place? If they're good enough to be qualified to be a coach, why not just keep doing what they do, win at poker, instead of take up coaching? If it's a matter of pride and wanting to share what they know, they already probably do that with their friends when they talk about hands, etc.
Because it's simply not true that a coach is killing the games. So he makes good money coaching when he's not playing, mixes things up a bit (especially nice to have stable income when handling rough swings) and it also keeps the coach a lot sharper because he constantly has to think about a variety of situations and convey those thoughts in an intelligent manner to the viewer or student.

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Originally Posted by Shoecrew
How can a player pay a losing player to train them?


Chicken > Egg
I think you mean "buyers gotta wisen up" and I do think that's the largest problem, but honestly players lose for a bunch of reasons that sometimes have nothing to do with teaching poker strategy (most coaching is all about strategy, what to do in certain situations, etc.).

Think about guys that play a level or two too high, don't move down when they are having a bad stretch and their bankroll is thinning, guys that tilt too often, guys that practice poor game selection and reg war a ton.

I mean, there's plenty of guys that are super scared and wait 2 or 3 hrs for a soft game, their graph looks nice, and then you have guys that reg war and barely break even. Who cares if they spend their time at the tables break even rather than making money if they have value to teach? From a training site's perspective or from a student's perspective, whether or not the guy plays the most profitable games is not of relevance to you.

Now, it's an entirely different question on how to tell people apart. It can be difficult and when in doubt simply do not purchase coaching from a coach you're not sure is qualified to coach you. Simple as that (you'll miss out on a few gems/good values, but you won't get ripped off).
02-23-2013 , 12:01 PM
Ryan; of course you are right when you say 'buyers gotta wisen up'. But what really makes >ME< wondering is; what interest does an affiliate have in supporting bad coaches? Every $ that goes to a 'bad' coach, would be more helpful for the affiliate to be on the pokersite and being used in play.

Pokerstrategy would had done way better if they keeped coaching, coaches like Douglas "pzhon" Zare who - by far - did make the finest SNG videos ever showed on PST.com

When I am visiting public coachings it somehow feels as if the coaches would be limited to useing programs, that pokerstrategy would have some kind of VIP deal with. When they advertised the new tool from holdemresources.net the coach who spoke with the advertiser always tried to make the viewers beliefe that this would be the only software of this kind, and the one that - like as ever - mentioned ICMIZER or the likes, has been the creator of the advertised software. Same is true for hold'em manager.

Now, this might be simple business-strategy and not an uncommon thing, but, when you view news where they advertise anything, you've gotta get the feeling, that they think there potential customers are exclusively car crash victims, 5 minutes after a brain operation and still on drugs.

Therefore, when a coach seems to be 'lame duck', it is not really surprising that the pokerstrategy.com-members think about the possibility that they - once again - are getting sold **** as gold.
03-26-2013 , 10:38 AM
Please more Lnternet videos, and less videos from this coaches. Thanks.
03-30-2013 , 09:32 PM
I have to say that a large number of the guys from PokerStrategy are actually pretty weak live players. There is a couple that play pretty decent in smaller live tournaments but only a very few actually play a good cash game. Guess that's one reason why I love to have PST staff at the table when playing.

However, couple play a very good cash game and of course not everybody at PST in Gibraltar is part of the strategy blogging team so you can't expect each of them to play sick poker.

However, I been checking out their site and blogs a long time ago and I must admit that I have my reservations about the quality of some of their strategy content and even their poker quiz.
04-14-2013 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by HammerMan72
However, couple play a very good cash game and of course not everybody at PST in Gibraltar is part of the strategy blogging team so you can't expect each of them to play sick poker.
Pretty much all the coaches are freelancers and not based in Gibraltar. The staff in Gib were hired because they are good at things like marketing, customer service, accounting and business.

      
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