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Really depends on how badly they play post flop. At games in which I can get opponents to go AI in a multi-way limped pot with TPGK, I open-limp these. That may sound like a mystic unicorn of a game, but in two of the home games I often play in, these apply.

At 2-5 and 1-2 I don't think it's that uncommon for rec players to stack off with TPTK sometimes even TPGK. I think seeing flops is the best way to win at lower stakes because most rec players aren't capable of playing post flop. Limping is a good way to see flops obv.

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04-14-2014 , 07:27 PM

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UTG I like limping weaker suited broadway hands like AQs, AJs and ATs.

AQs and AJs are too strong to limp in EP imo.

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04-14-2014 , 07:27 PM

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I don't think I've ever open-folded a suited broadway in a live game.

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04-14-2014 , 07:29 PM

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04-14-2014 , 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SABR42

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04-14-2014 , 08:16 PM

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I don't think I've ever open-folded a suited broadway in a live game.

It's tough to do, so pretty.

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04-14-2014 , 09:49 PM

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04-14-2014 , 11:23 PM

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Depends...

Average stack size around table
Limpfest game or not
Hero ability postflop
Amount of light iso-raisers in LP

Personally I want to play A9ss KTss etc. VERY bad when UTG if a ton of passive fish are playing. So much so that I go out of my way to train the iso-raisers on button not to iso me by limp 3 betting often. It usually does not take but a time or two to calm them down. Then you can limp A9ss K9ss 33 and other stuff that you would love to see the flop with 6 ways with fish. OOP is a drawback but when getting 5-6 to 1 on your money seeing the flop vs players who will play poorly post, this is a spot I do not want to miss if at all possible.

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04-14-2014 , 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SABR42

I don't think I've ever open-folded a suited broadway in a live game.

Yeah, but are you limping it UTG?

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04-14-2014 , 11:36 PM

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No.

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04-15-2014 , 12:34 AM

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Definitely have open folded a suited broadway like KJs, QTs UTG in a tougher lineup and I've open limped them as well in other situations.

Much better to be in the habit of open folding them than raising or limping, SABR gives advice that might be good for him but bad for other people.

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04-15-2014 , 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak

UTG I like limping weaker suited broadway hands like AQs, AJs and ATs.

these are premium hands to raise that do not play well in multiway limped pots oop ... you need to raise these hands

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04-15-2014 , 04:26 AM

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No... I'm raising them 6-7bb, getting called by LP and firing 20bb in the dark with them.

Spew city son!

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04-15-2014 , 09:31 AM

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SABR gives advice that might be good for him but bad for other people.

Poor logic.

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04-15-2014 , 09:46 AM

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Poor logic.

Assuming people make correct decisions in marginal spots is incorrect imo and I'm guessing there is a broad range of hands you can play profitably that most others can't.

That being said limping ATs+ is pretty absurd at a loose passive table.

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04-15-2014 , 10:25 AM

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If it works for me it's +EV when played correctly. Therefore good advice.

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04-15-2014 , 10:44 AM

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By that logic we should open 63s from MP at a tough table because it's profitable for durrrr to do it. Or defend with 86o from the BB because it's profitable for Ivey to do it.

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04-15-2014 , 10:49 AM

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Don't think anyone can profitably open 63s at an actual tough table. Defending 86o vs a button minraise would be ok though.

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04-15-2014 , 10:51 AM

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^ there is a difference. The key point is "when played correctly", rather than merely copying what another winning player does. This involves being deep and properly rolled for starters.

Also TV poker shouldnt be compared to live lol.

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04-15-2014 , 11:05 AM

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Tough is relative. If durrrr can make that a profitable open at a 5/10 table does that mean it'll be profitable for me? Not necessarily.

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04-15-2014 , 11:21 AM

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these are premium hands to raise that do not play well in multiway limped pots oop ... you need to raise these hands

RE: AQs-ATs

These hands (as well as other suited broadways) can be played two different ways. If you can narrow the field with a raise, then they are fine TP hands. But due to their huge hand nut making ability (nut flush, nut straight, as well as good two pair / trips hands), they can also be played in multiway limped pots for nutmining purposes (where we will give up only TP postflop pretty easily).

Personally, I like to play bloated pots (i.e. attempting to narrow the field and play a TP hand) in position, so I'm typically limping these in EP while raising them in LP.

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04-16-2014 , 06:00 AM

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you can still flop the nuts/flushdraw with these hands multiway if you raise them.. but you also build a pot with a strong value hand in which you can have weaker/dominated hands call you.. these hands flop well and if you flop a pair they are often top pair.

sure they can be played two different ways, one way less optimal than the other.

any Axs can flop a nut flush, nut straight, or trips.. but you should be profitting off AQs way more than A2s. If you aren't , you are making fundamental mistakes.

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04-16-2014 , 06:20 AM

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I don't think I've ever open-folded a suited broadway in a live game.

This

I usually fold QTs and KTs from the first 2 positions unless the game is really good, but other than that, the opponents are so bad in live poker that its not going to be -EV for anyone whos a winning player in the game to open suited broadways assuming they can play reasonably well postflop.

You're going to be in pots with fish, you're almost never going to get 3-bet or exploited, your hand is going to make a lot of nutted hands that will cooler the fish... you should really only be folding in tough games and I don't think there's ever a reason to sit in a tough live game.