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07-14-2017 , 01:38 AM

JB Clark

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Hero dealt QQ in HJ 1k behind

Folds to MP2 (looks like 2k behind) who raises to 25

Hero makes it 70

Folds back to Mp who tanks a good 2- 3 minutes before finally calling

Flop K

V checks, hero checks

Turn 8

V bets 95, hero folds

How did i do?

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07-14-2017 , 08:24 AM

ImAllInNow

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If you have the Q

I think this is a reasonable line. w/o the Q

I think you should be betting the flop or calling the turn at least once.

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07-14-2017 , 09:32 AM

MikeStarr

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I think you have to bet the flop. You'll get calls from FD, some hands like TT/JJ and of course hands that beat you. Once you check, youre giving him license to steal this pot. This deep he can lots of hands here and hes pretty sure you have less than Kx.

I would bet 1/2 pot on the flop just like I would with AK/AA/KK/a FD/45s/A4 or A5s if I happened to 3 bet those hands. I might check back Kx less than AK and even AK sometimes. But Im usually betting the flop with a made hand less than Kx.

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07-14-2017 , 09:56 AM

Ranma4703

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The long tank is usually super strong, I think you did fine though I probably put in one bet postflop but I don't think that is the right play, I just suck at folding.

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07-14-2017 , 10:11 AM

Nippleman

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Play seems fine. It's why QQs is my least favorite hand in poker (even if I acknowledge it's a strong hand) You are behind most people's 3 bet at 2/5 and below, and you hate life if flop ever has a K or A.

I think your fold was good. I am not sure if a flop bet would be good or not. The super long tank makes me think he had a hand like AK and was debating 4 betting, so agree with the comments here.

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07-14-2017 , 11:19 AM

twitcherroo

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I think I'm stabbing at the flop, probably $125 or so. AP I'd call the turn and expect a check/check river fairly often. The long tank doesn't make me too nervous.

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07-14-2017 , 11:39 AM

Nippleman

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Originally Posted by twitcherroo

I think I'm stabbing at the flop, probably $125 or so. AP I'd call the turn and expect a check/check river fairly often. The long tank doesn't make me too nervous.

I don't hate this play either. It's a good "see where I am at" moment targeting lower pairs/weak kings, and probably gets a check ott or a fold, which we are fine with against this board.

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07-14-2017 , 11:44 AM

Playbig2000

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reads?

if you're going to 3bet pre, you can't shut it down when an over cards comes out. without making a cbet it's hard to tell if he has AQ or KK.

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07-14-2017 , 11:48 AM

Javanewt

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Originally Posted by twitcherroo

I think I'm stabbing at the flop, probably $125 or so. AP I'd call the turn and expect a check/check river fairly often. The long tank doesn't make me too nervous.

This is my thinking.

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07-14-2017 , 11:51 AM

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Nippleman

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

reads?

if you're going to 3bet pre, you can't shut it down when an over cards comes out. without making a cbet it's hard to tell if he has AQ or KK.

OP stated it was the first hand he had when he sat down.

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07-14-2017 , 11:56 AM

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Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

OP stated it was the first hand he had when he sat down.

well if he plays regularly, perhaps he know the villain? If not, age? is he in his 60's reading a book with a military cap on, does he look like a kindergarten teacher drinking a glass of wine with chips stacked in small $25 piles, or is he a 21 year old bratty kid wearing beats headphones, sunglasses and a hoodie (or anything in between).

Just painting a picture will help even when OP might think he has no reads.

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07-14-2017 , 12:15 PM

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JB Clark

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Villain is a mid 30s black dude with earphones and nike gear. We dont know each other

When he tanked i felt like he had one hand in his range: AA

Nobody EVER tanks pre. Pre is never that difficult.

Also, at these stakes who needs QQ? I have had many a winning session without getting a single high pp. I would ALMOST rather have a draw.

Dont really mind making an "exploitable" fold but my instinct put him on AA. Maaaybe AK. But no other hand imo

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07-14-2017 , 12:25 PM

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Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

Dont really mind making an "exploitable" fold but my instinct put him on AA. Maaaybe AK. But no other hand imo

It's not always AA. They call a lot with any pocket pair to try to crack your perceived aces. I don't know how, without any reads, you can say this isn't anything but AA or AK. They call pre with all sorts of hands, even suited connectors.

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07-14-2017 , 12:36 PM

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Buster65

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Yeah, we have to bet the flop here. At a new table , I am almost always betting a WA/WB situation. I really need to see how people react.

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07-14-2017 , 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

The way the tank sounds, it was between a call/raise, not a call/fold. I agree, most pre at that stage, knows what he is doing if it a push back. Maybe it was a bit of a hollywood, but we are also in pretty bleh shape.

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07-14-2017 , 04:08 PM

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JB Clark

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Ok so after the first minute i range him on AK/JJ+

After the second minute when I almost called the clock i ranged him on AK/AA

Results: reg to my left who is watching this and knows me well says he didnt think v had a king.

Villain asks me if i would have called if I 3bet. I said of course if he didnt hollywood pre...lol

I never asked what he had and he never told me but he did rack up and leave on his next bb

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07-14-2017 , 04:17 PM

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Nippleman

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I think you played fine man. Again, one of the worst flops your hand could ask for, and even if we ignore the context of his call, he has a lot of kings in his range. Maybe the reg was right, but we need him to not have a K 60% of the time. Not sure I like that.

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07-14-2017 , 04:19 PM

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cicakman

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Terrible

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07-14-2017 , 04:50 PM

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ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

but we need him to not have a K 60% of the time. Not sure I like that.

Where are you getting this math?

We are contemplating calling $95 into a pot of $140 or so. We only need 40% equity to call.

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07-14-2017 , 05:00 PM

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Nippleman

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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow

Where are you getting this math?

We are contemplating calling $95 into a pot of $140 or so. We only need 40% equity to call.

I did weird math. It isn't that hard to figure out what I did wrong, I took your 40% of the times we are calling when we are ahead. I did my math wrong.

That said, what I meant was that we need to be ahead 40% of the time to be ok. I don't think we are ahead 40% of the time against this V's range, even completely disregarding his pre tank. I agree with manma, it's a sign of strength more often than not, but even if it wasn't I don't like my holdings.

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07-14-2017 , 05:02 PM

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ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by Nippleman

That said, what I meant was that we need to be ahead 40% of the time to be ok. I don't think we are ahead 40% of the time against this V's range, even completely disregarding his pre tank. I agree with manma, it's a sign of strength more often than not, but even if it wasn't I don't like my holdings.

could be true. Definitely true if we have the Q

in our hand.

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07-14-2017 , 05:06 PM

#22

kekeeke

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

I love it when someone makes a read like this and goes with it

It takes a lot of confidence and discipline, wp, even if you happen to have been wrong I think making a read and going with it even if in theory you shouldn't has a lot of merits in live games.

Anyway it's QQ you have 2nd pair with close to no chance of improving so who cares

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07-14-2017 , 05:10 PM

#23

JB Clark

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We have Q

but i thought suits were irrellevant

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07-14-2017 , 05:12 PM

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ImAllInNow

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

We have Q

but i thought suits were irrellevant

having the Q

makes it so he can't have A

or Q

, some very reasonable hands to play the way he has so far.

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07-14-2017 , 07:09 PM

#25

spider

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Go in the tank for 3 minutes, then raise and he will fold after he realizes his AA is obviously no good against your set of kings.

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