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08-14-2017 , 06:22 PM
First post here, let me have it. I tried to get the stack sizes as close as I could but not perfect.

$1-$2 No limit, Pretty tight table, not a lot of reraising happening. Now ~5AM in the morning

Big Blind : ~$100
Middle Position 1 : ~$300
Middle Position 2 : ~$305
Hero (last to act) : ~$225

I get K K

MP1 raises to $8

MP2 Re raises to $25

Hero calls $25

BB Calls $25

MP1 Calls $25

------FLOP: J 9 4----------- POT : ~$102

BB Checks

MP1 Checks

MP2 Checks

Hero bets $70

BB Folds

MP1 Folds

MP2 Thinks for 2 minutes (feels like forever) and Moves all in for ~$295 (covers me)

Action on Hero

POT: ~$467

What do you do? You have ~$130 left in your stack

Thanks!

Last edited by jtshinn; 08-14-2017 at 06:39 PM. Reason: peer review
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08-14-2017 , 06:31 PM
Correct your post while you can. You have MP 2 betting then calling his own bet preflop. I assume the call should be MP1.

Your stack size needs to be corrected. Either pre or after the All in by mp2 is wrong.

285-25-70=195.


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08-14-2017 , 06:40 PM
Thanks for the review, had my starting size wrong.
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08-14-2017 , 07:15 PM
Pretty straight forward call.

The pot was 102 before you bet. With your 70 bet if you have 110 behind and you are calling 110 to win 352 in the pot 110/(352+110)=24% equity needed for a break even call.

You will have more than 24% against villains range here.





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08-14-2017 , 07:25 PM
Call flop...if people are calling all these 3b's then I think it makes sense to 4b cold. Not clear whether this happened before.

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08-14-2017 , 10:04 PM
Didn't 4 bet. I hadn't seen it on the table all night. In fact the pre flop 3 bet was rare, especially from that player.

I tanked and decided that she had AA. I then decided that I didn't have the hero fold in me. I called. She showed AA and the turn brought the other black king then I floated down the River Blank. I feel good about the call now based more on the size of the pot and what I had behind if not on my read. Good to hear some confirmation.
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08-14-2017 , 10:25 PM
I think it's the right call, despite her showing aces. You had great odds. With that said, isn't this an obvious 4 bet pre flop?
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08-14-2017 , 10:39 PM
Despite the table play note, this has to be 4 bet. Never let the table norms deter you from what is best for your game and it's not like it's an image killer getting it in pre with KK. Even in position I want no part of a 4 way flop with kk where you could potentially end up 3rd or even 4th place post flop. For a tight table the bb flat calling screams a PP that I want out of the hand if nothing else
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08-15-2017 , 12:53 AM
Why don't you 4! and commit your KK with just a little over 100bb effective? - I don't get it .. man - What will take for you to 4!? - Only AA? - Or you try to see if the flop is safe without an Ace in it?

You know that we never fold KK pre so, why not getting committed. I would have 4! to $100 and call a shove regardless. Some of the times I will lose, I know that, but most times I win big pots because I'm the one building it up with my initiative. I really don't understand the logic of calling with KK pre. Why not re-re-raising or are we planing to fold after the flop after calling a 3! ...?

Just in case we play it safe .. ummm .., Aha! .., no Ace on the flop .. whippie! ..
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08-15-2017 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by outdonked
Why don't you 4! and commit your KK with just a little over 100bb effective? - I don't get it .. man - What will take for you to 4!? - Only AA? - Or you try to see if the flop is safe without an Ace in it?

You know that we never fold KK pre so, why not getting committed. I would have 4! to $100 and call a shove regardless. Some of the times I will lose, I know that, but most times I win big pots because I'm the one building it up with my initiative. I really don't understand the logic of calling with KK pre. Why not re-re-raising or are we planing to fold after the flop after calling a 3! ...?

Just in case we play it safe .. ummm .., Aha! .., no Ace on the flop .. whippie! ..
No money pls don't play poker...

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08-15-2017 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 3K_TOM17
No money pls don't play poker...

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We play for 100bb+ not money. Units is what we play for. Money we use at the grocery store to buy candies and blueberry muffins.

Jam your heart out in similar situations. Remember, it's the number of callers that's important, NOT the villain having Aces. That you don’t know and don’t care because the frequency is so small that you most likely have the best hand and will have at least an overpair OTF.

The variance in these kind of games with many callers is extremely high, due solely to building big pots post flop. Tight play does not provide a solution to this problem. The obvious answer is a big enough bankroll. Do NOT adopt any strategies designed to reduce variance! -Granted, variance goes thru the roof here, but I always wrongly assume everybody is loaded bankroll-wise as I am. haha!
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08-15-2017 , 07:49 AM
Yea. I should have. Don't know what made me twitch there.

I immediately questioned myself. But it's what I did this time. It worked out but the 4 bet was the right play
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08-15-2017 , 01:49 PM
The pot isn't actually 467, since some of that represents his bet in excess of your stack.

It started as 102, you put in 70 and then he put in 200 (70 to call you, the other 130 puts you all in), so the pot is actually 372. The additional money he jammed is irrelevant.

Great spot to 4b pre. Getting HU is probably a fine result. If someone has AA, you're basically going broke anyway, so let's thin the herd and get more money in the middle.

You could just jam, hoping it looks like AK, but at 1/2 it's probably better to raise to 100 and then cram the flop.

AP, I think you have to call it off. V could have a set of J or maybe 9, or could have AA. He could also have QQ or KK or even something like AsJs or AsKs.

If all he can have is 99, JJ, QQ, KK, or AA you have 27% equity. You're calling 130 to win 372, so you need to have 130/500 equity, call it 26%. So even if he has only sets and overpairs, you're getting the just the right price to call. Add in some hands like AsJs or AsKs and it's a no brainer.
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08-15-2017 , 02:53 PM
4bet pre. AP, call.
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