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What is the standard/correct play here? What is the standard/correct play here?

05-22-2017 , 10:27 PM
1/1 home game, playing fairly loose and gambly. All players fairly familiar with each other from local games and/or years of playing with each other.

Hero: 41 year old male, probably viewed as one of the tightest 2 at the table, seen as TAG by most in this game, also known as a winning player at these low stakes games. Starts the hand with just over $180.

Villain 1: Mid-30's white guy, long hair, plays a lot of poker, main source of disposable income. The other of the two tightest players at the table other than hero. Winning TAG player, we've played together for years, talk a lot of strategy away from the table and tend to avoid each other at the table (probably view each other as the other best player at the table in most games). Covers hero.

Villain 2: Late 20's Chinese guy, and the host of the game. Can be a solid player, but sometimes plays too loose and gambles too much. Lacks some discipline, but knows what he's doing for the most part. Hero covers by a little bit.

Villain 3: Late 30's Puerto Rican. Definition of a maniac. Play's in hero's bar tournament/cash game and is a consistent donator. Ruthless aggression with any two cards most of the time. Not horrible at reading people post-flop and can get away if he has nothing, but will stack off with as little as a gutshot straight draw. Friendly guy, and never gets upset when he loses or gets sucked out on (given he lays his fair share of beats on people). Covers hero.

Straddle is on, hero is BB, V1 is button.

A few limps (including V2 and V3) to V1 who raises $12.

Hero looks at AKhh in the BB, makes it $40 to go. Most of the table should realize this is almost always QQ+, AK suited is probably the worst hand I'll 3-bet with in this spot, especially against a raise from V1. Always flatting JJ or less, or AK off. Table would most likely know this.

Fold, fold. V2 legitimately looks torn, tanks for a bit, and reluctantly calls the $40 (this definitely isn't an act). V3 snap calls (as expected), and V1 gives kind of an "oh well" call as he cuts out the chips.

Preflop I'm thinking V2 has a small/mid pair or suited connector, hence the fact he didn't raise himself preflop and didn't look thrilled with calling the reraise. V3 could legit have ATC (suited or not), not concerned about him. V1, with the initial raise, I'd think would have 66+, A10+, with the occasional suited connector or one-gapper considering he was the button. Since he smooth called the 3 bet, I take KK and AA (and possibly AK suited) out of his range since he didn't 4 bet (he absolutely would have with V2 and V3's dead money in the pot with those hands, knowing what my range is and I have a strong hand). He'd most likely also fold A10-AQ expecting to be crushed, so I'm thinking it's something like 66-QQ or a suited connector since he's getting odds calling $28 to win $140+.

Flop is J 10 6 rainbow with one heart.

Hero is first to act, there's a little over $160 in the pot, hero has $142 left. What's the correct play here against these villains? Thoughts on preflop play?
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05-22-2017 , 10:46 PM
Open shove and continue to rep the overpair. Against anything but a set we still have pretty good equity if called: 2 overs and a gutshot/backdoor to the nuts.

Stack sizes are such that we don't have any fold equity if we check/jam. We can't check/call and I don't think we should check/give up either. With just under a PSB behind I'm sticking it in and not thinking twice.
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05-22-2017 , 11:30 PM
Why would you flat JJ or AKo here

C/f and ship it are pretty close. I prefer toward c/f
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05-22-2017 , 11:57 PM
if v3 is calling 100%, you 3 bet to like 50+ to isolate. As played, I guess you ship but its not that exciting.
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05-23-2017 , 12:52 AM
shipping has to be wrong here. check/fold. i think you gave V1 the wrong range. I'd put him more on TT-QQ here and not folding for a jam. based on description i dont think hes playing small-medium pairs.
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05-23-2017 , 02:20 AM
I agree with Rich, I'm not convinced V1 is continuing here with 66-99 with <1 SPR. He's basically never good on the flop unless he hits a set and there isn't enough behind to get good value if he does hit.

If you were heads up this is an easy ship. But with two looser players between him including a maniac, what part of V1s range are you going to fold out by shipping it here?
Even if you're ahead of V3s range (and you very well might be, although he's probably calling down basically any J and probably some Tx based on the read), so is V1, so he's not folding much.
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05-23-2017 , 03:07 AM
Meh, I'd probably ship but you are probably 50/50 with no fold equity. Pretty marginal spot.
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05-23-2017 , 03:22 AM
Ship it, your image makes it scream QQ+, and if you're called you have outs.
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05-24-2017 , 09:39 PM
I just wanted to make sure I made the correct play, and it seems I probably did.

I insta-jammed the flop and I felt I should do that with my entire range. If they do think I have an overpair and they all whiffed, or missed their two pair or set, I may win the pot outright. Otherwise I have at least 4 clean outs.

V2 tanked for quite some time. To the point you could tell there was no way he had the best hand. He ended up calling all in for a little less ("because there's too much in there") with AQ off (pretty awful limp/call preflop if you ask me, that cost him his entire stack on the flop).

V3 snap folded, and V1 snap called with top set. Blank on the turn, inconsequential ace on the river.

I discussed the hand with V1 afterwards, and he knew I had a big hand (better than AK he thought), but calling $28 with almost $140 in the pot preflop with the shot at stacking one or more of us on the right flop was a no brainer. I asked him what happens if the flop comes 9 or 10 high and I jam. He said he'd probably still be tanking now (and even with QQ).

So I guess my play works if no one hits 2 pair or better, especially considering V2 somehow called with worse.

Thanks for the input.
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05-24-2017 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Swanhatch
I just wanted to make sure I made the correct play, and it seems I probably did.

I insta-jammed the flop and I felt I should do that with my entire range. If they do think I have an overpair and they all whiffed, or missed their two pair or set, I may win the pot outright. Otherwise I have at least 4 clean outs.

V2 tanked for quite some time. To the point you could tell there was no way he had the best hand. He ended up calling all in for a little less ("because there's too much in there") with AQ off (pretty awful limp/call preflop if you ask me, that cost him his entire stack on the flop).

V3 snap folded, and V1 snap called with top set. Blank on the turn, inconsequential ace on the river.

I discussed the hand with V1 afterwards, and he knew I had a big hand (better than AK he thought), but calling $28 with almost $140 in the pot preflop with the shot at stacking one or more of us on the right flop was a no brainer. I asked him what happens if the flop comes 9 or 10 high and I jam. He said he'd probably still be tanking now (and even with QQ).

So I guess my play works if no one hits 2 pair or better, especially considering V2 somehow called with worse.

Thanks for the input.
except im not sure you did.

an "oh well" call preflop from V1 screams a hand that he probably thinks is beat given the action but one he also probably isn't going to let go on any flop that doesnt have an A or K. mainly this is going to be QQ,JJ,TT.

again i think you ranged him wrong, ask him what he would do in that spot with 66. and if you think he would have 66 in that spot than why not 22?
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