Live 1/1 home game 8 people
bb(hero) 270
co (villain) 175
sb 90
players are all bad mawg

utg raises to 3, 3 others call and I call with QhJs
(Pot is 15flop comes AhKcTc, sb bets out 20 and while its still on me utg folds and co snap calls. Should I raise the flop or just call to get the extra 20 in the pot?
I end up calling and making the cutoff call

Turn comes a king of hearts (Pot is 75) sb checks hero bets 40 and cutoff tanks and says "I dont know if i can call i got a decent hand" he ends up calling and sb folds. Is this line okay? please reply for both answers

Pretty basic Imo of yiu know your ruling.
Should be that Co's 20 stays in the middle regardless, but cannot make an aggressive action,
Therefore I would just stuff it all in the middle and let him frustration call because he doesn't want to lose the 20 he has put in.

This would be a rare and horrendous ruling. Almost every casino I've played at a raise from OP changes the action and the $20 may be taken back. In some places maybe CO can't raise, but usually CO retains all options. The $20 almost never stays in. In a home game I'm pretty sure they're not trying to make each other feel like they got screwed over.

+1. Even at a casino usually the out of turn player can take back his money if the action changes with a raise ahead of him. Would certainly expect that in a home game.

Be very careful how the casino floor rules against this situation because as a function of how the floor rules the C/O player could easily build up an angle. If he's got a draw to a flush and figure to call the maximum $20 to see the next card he will bet out of turn that amount knowing that if you protest and insist on betting much more before him he will get to take his bet back and fold. This way you be willing to let C/O bet in the pot so you don't change the action but also bet $20 enhancing the value of the pot for his flush draw. Now he's drawing with odds. If you raise he can take his money out and fold but at least he had a chance to lure you in for his cheap $20 call OOP. He can even look at you while you counting some chips and before you bet he says "Call" meaning he calls the $20 of the SB not yours. So, you either let $20 to stand or if you raise he's out with his money.

Be very careful if you got deep stacks to don't let dudes set the price OOP for a possible draw.

I believe if it's HU you can raise to enforce the OOP action.

I think calling is probably the best play - and pray for a good turn card. You win more in the long run slow playing this imo with shallow stacks.

Could be in heads-up but I encounter this situation many times in Vegas and the ruling of the floor was that villain could take his call back if hero intended to raise the SB $20. Many times the villain in late position just looks at the next player immediately after the initial SB $20 and if he figures hero intends to raise, he just say "Call" and now hero's thinking if he raises he's gonna "waste" villain's $20 so most dudes will swallow the pill and let the call stand. So villain gets his draw in an even bigger pot for his little price. The villain's thinking is that after SB $20 he will get the odds to draw if one more player calls. So he "calls (wtf) out-of-turn only to lure hero to call too or he gets his money back. That's a free risk move without downside. Only upside ..., wtf?

I think this "move" is in one of the books but I don't remember where. Could be in one of Amarillo Slim's book or interview article where he's talking about setting the price of a hand. Or could be somebody else. It's like a blocking bet out-of-turn. Is not illegal or legal but a big BS based on the weakness and grid of hero's thinking not to lose the $20 out of his pot so he lets the draw for cheap.

This is a good move and 100% legal a cool. I'm not taking into account the bets so far. But let's just say as you flopped the nut str8 and go to the turn. If the turn brings the 4th card to a straight without completing the flush. Let say the turn is J If you bet and villains calls or if he bets and you just call it becomes obvious you got unlucky and he may have now a straight too. So, you two got to split the pot at the end. But you don't do that. What you do is just before the dealer peals the river card you say: "pair the board - Baby!" -representing a set and if the board gets paired at the river ..., Wow! ... you shove all in, shove the entire deep stack. If villain is a nit tight player donkey he may find a fold and you take the pot that belongs to you by right. .., wtf .., (LOL) - if he calls you split

Sometimes in some special situations it becomes obvious you two guys have the same hand so you ask the dealer to pair the board at the end. And, if he did pair it, you shove. Usually in 4 card str8 on the turn you can figure if villain got that straight that you also have it. So, just ask for the magic paired board.

Man if I had a game with 9 terrible players who don't even know when it's their turn to act, just let them do whatever they want and win all the money.