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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Isn't this kinda a lol example?
You're going to face a 3bet squeeze a lot after a ~minraise and a bunch of calls.
Sometimes. I don't have a lot of live poker experience but where I was playing this kind of action was not at all unusual. Most players at Winstar are two passive to squeeze. And yeah, it's not the best example, but that's probably why I don't write poker books. The point was just to illustrate we don't need to stack our opponents for AXs to have equity. Even if the flop had been K
4
6
vs. A
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5
, we have plenty of equity to semibluff flop, turn, and river.
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
4ways to the turn, when we have like every card? Is this a Limit game? And no one actually having a hand worth raising (where if we get in the chips we're actually typically a huge dog?).
Like I said, not the best example, I just quickly thought up something to illustrate a point without analyzing the probabilities. Still, fourways to the turn does not seem unusual on this board. I guess it depends where you play, but most players will call at least a flop bet if the flop hit them at all. On A
4
5
I'd expect most players to continue with any A, any 2, any 3, 32, 54, 76, 87, 86, 73s, all spades, any 4 + a spade, any 5 + a spade, 44-KK, and the calling station types to peel at least to the turn with all this as well as any 4, any 5, and any hand consisting of two broadway cards. We may face a raise from some of the TP+ hands, but if we bet many players are happy to just call with their big hands.
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
And pretty much nicest turn / river runout and action (apart from the getting paid off part on the river, which ironically is probably the only street we were actually ahead).
It's a semibluff. We have tons of outs and passive players will give up on the river if their draws don't hit or if a really scary card hits.
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If your suggestion is that the key to crushing poker is to play aggressively *and* run extremely well, you'll find no argument from me.
It doesn't hurt.
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
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GG clueless NL noob? Don't know if that's directed at me or some weird signature, but the example was just a small part of my post, meant to illustrate the type of hand where we can build a pot even if nobody calls when the flush hits. OP seemed to imply flushes are overvalued because we rarely get paid off when it hits. I was trying to point out (maybe poorly) that there are other situations we can extract a lot of value, and the result of building a big multiway pot where everyone folds on the river may not be super common, but it's about as common as hitting the flush and stacking our opponent IMO.
I never said or meant to imply "This example is a typical hand when you play AXs; rather, this example shows one way of building a pot without stacking anyone."
We also win lots of small pots when one or two opponents peel and give up on the turn, sometimes we make TP which is often good enough against weak opponents who play in a straightforward manner, occasionally we make top and middle/bottom pair, and we have excellent barreling opportunities.
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As far as Ed treating the first four positions as basically the same, I have seen other respected authors doing this. Just off the top of my head, Jonathan Little does this in "Strategies for Beating Small Stakes Poker Cash Games;" specifically, he provides charts for EP, MP, CO, and BTN. And in "Bluffs" he does the same. But he's not suggesting play the same hands in the first four positions; rather, the charts are a general starting point, add more hands in later positions and remove more hands UTG. I haven't read The Course (ordered it, arriving in a couple days), but I bet Ed does not say "play these exact hands in first four positions." I have read most of his books and he is very big on adjusting to your opponents rather than playing from a chart or list. In EP, start with those hands, and adjust based on exact position and the tendencies of your opponents.
It's also worth noting compared to the differences between what you should open on the button and cutoff, 1 seat apart, or between the cutoff and hijack, the differences between what you play UTG and MP when it's folded to you are minor.