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08-07-2016 , 06:36 PM
Was playing 2-5 out at cheerokee in NC during WSOP circuit event.

I'm BTN 6 handed with 69dd. Folded to me. I raise to 15.

SB folds and BB calls. BB is older man who I've played with the last hour. was looser than typical old guy but not super spewy.

Flop comes KQ5r. C/C
Turn is 8d. He leads 20, I raise to 60 with flush draw and gutter. He calls.
River is 2d. Giving me a flush. He checks I bet 120, he shoves for 305 more. I have him covered.

What you guys think?
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08-07-2016 , 07:57 PM
I think it should be posted in Live Low-stakes NL (so I moved it there)

Why do you check back the flop? This is actually a good looking flop for you, if you think he has a moderate hand. If he's missed or has a pair smaller than queens then he probably doesn't like his hand very much. Do you think he's showdown bound with a small to mid pair? Did you look at him when the flop came out? (You should always be looking at your opponent when the cards are put on the board. Look at the board afterward. Read Caro's book of tells)

So if I added right on the river there's $150 in the pot. You bet 120, he raises to 305 so now there is 575 and you have to call 185. Those are pretty good pot odds.

But also, he probably has a flush. Either that or it's a pure bluff. If he's not very loose then you're probably beating 78 and losing to Axdd, TJdd (depending on which cards were diamonds on the flop, you didn't say. If the K or Q was not a diamond then you lose lose to some Kxdd or Qxdd hands.

I'd probably want a pretty good read to fold here. You only need to win about 1/4 of the time.
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08-08-2016 , 02:12 AM
I agree with Rusty, you should always cbet boards of this texture when you are opening and especially against 1 opponent.

Having said that. I want to commend you on raising the turn. So many people would just call here and not utilize their equity like you did! Something good to remember is that, even though we want to risk the smallest amount possible when bluffing - when semi bluffing we can make our bet sizes much larger since we still have a lot of equity in a situation like this. In this particular instance when we make it 100 rather than 60 we fold out so much more of his range that is beating us now and fold out some of his equity against us.

Playing aggressive will always be better than playing passive, just want to make sure you understand how well you played the turn.

And again, I agree with Rusty on the river decision.
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08-30-2016 , 06:11 AM
You have to be careful just raising on the turn cos you have equity because its hard for you to have much value here after you x flop.
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08-30-2016 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks
I think it should be posted in Live Low-stakes NL (so I moved it there)

Why do you check back the flop? This is actually a good looking flop for you, if you think he has a moderate hand. If he's missed or has a pair smaller than queens then he probably doesn't like his hand very much. Do you think he's showdown bound with a small to mid pair? Did you look at him when the flop came out? (You should always be looking at your opponent when the cards are put on the board. Look at the board afterward. Read Caro's book of tells)

So if I added right on the river there's $150 in the pot. You bet 120, he raises to 305 so now there is 575 and you have to call 185. Those are pretty good pot odds.

But also, he probably has a flush. Either that or it's a pure bluff. If he's not very loose then you're probably beating 78 and losing to Axdd, TJdd (depending on which cards were diamonds on the flop, you didn't say. If the K or Q was not a diamond then you lose lose to some Kxdd or Qxdd hands.

I'd probably want a pretty good read to fold here. You only need to win about 1/4 of the time.
The OP says villain shoves for $305 more. Not shoves to $305
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08-30-2016 , 10:02 AM
Definitely betting that flop.

What is your image -- that actually makes a big difference here.

I probably call the river (maybe), but this guy's hand looks like a flush, unless he was planning to check/raise the flop w/ two pair or a set. What on earth does he put you on after you checked the flop? What is he just calling the turn with that he's willing to check/raise the river with -- wouldn't he raise w/ two pair or a set? You could easily have a flush here, yet he raises. Weird. Maybe he just has the Ad.
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08-30-2016 , 10:26 AM
Looks like nut flush all day long to me. If he has raised 305 more for a total river bet of 425 that makes the pot 695 and 305 to call. In that case I'd fold for sure.

If it is like Rusty reads it then it would be one hell of a tough fold but probably correct. For me to call I'd have to see a way villain does this with a load of flushes and other hands weaker than mine and not just nuts or 2nd/3rd nuts. I can't see it with the V's description. Villain would need to have shown himself to be a total fish capable of raising secondary strength and weaker on turn/river for me to call. That or I'd have to think him capable of going for thin value with all his weak flushes or bluffing the nut flush while holding AdXx. For thin value to be an option I'd have to have a pretty stationy/spewey image; thats rare but not unheard of
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08-30-2016 , 10:35 AM
If V were rather daring he could actually take this line with AdQx or AdKx. It would make sense of his action on all streets. Still, that's only 6 combos and he isn't doing it with all of them surely? You could probably work in enough Ad bluffs with weaker flushes to make the call if river raise is to 305...

Last edited by Ragequit99; 08-30-2016 at 10:58 AM.
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08-30-2016 , 10:55 AM
No straight on the board and he check-raised you on the river with 3 diamonds on the board after you raised him on the turn. At first I was convinced that this is a fold but now I've convinced myself that this is a call. By raising the turn you're clearly representing that you already have a made hand already to most villains (even though you didn't) at this level.

What was your table image going into the hand? If you've appeared fairly tight then the villain could be putting you on AA, KK, QQ, AK, KQ, AQ, and if he has the Ad as a blocker he's probably not putting you on a flush with the Ad, Kd and Qd out of play and with your PFR (again, assuming you're playing relatively tight). In this case, he could push you off of some pretty big hands here by representing the flush on a bluff.
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08-30-2016 , 11:40 AM
Your image makes a difference here, but as well knowing what are the suits on the flop. Which one is the Diamond? With the loose read you put him, he could have something like JTdd, but that smells more like A5dd, QXdd, KXdd; probably never AKdd as probably he would raise with that, and probably AQdd... He leads on the turn because he has a pair with a flush draw -and unless you have a super loose image, you are beaten here. Fold

(Edit) I wouldnt put him here either in KXdd because he would reraise as well

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08-30-2016 , 12:04 PM
You know what, ignore my last perspective. I'm not sure what happened but I breezed through on my mobile and didn't read the hand properly. If the K on the flop is not a diamond I'd definitely fold. I'm probably folding either way. Definitely looks like a KdXd combo as played. Not sure why you guys think he'd 3b KdXd on that turn. If he's got like Kd7d or something weak, he might check that flop too. Not a surprising line.
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08-30-2016 , 12:09 PM
you are beat here a lot .. I don`t really like what we are doing on the turn, because we have to make a big bet on the river, if we miss.

I like your riversizing and think it`s an easy fold in the end.

I think I just muck it pre or triple barrel it on this runout.
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08-30-2016 , 07:53 PM
So, what happened?

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