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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Preflop is horrible both times (super easy folds both times, imo), but I'm guessing you know that and are simply tilting your money away.
SPR is about 4.5. We're likely committed with bottom two in this spot, but due to non-drawyness of board we could attempt to get in stacks over 3 streets (which will also allow us to fold on the river if we get counterfeited). I'd probably just flat the donk because I'm not looking to blow anyone out of the pot at this point and would be totally fine with the CO raising if he actually has a hand / wants to get out-of-line, plus we're cool with maniac maniacing on the turn.
I have no idea why TT is unlikely due to preflop action, and we should actually start considering it when CO takes a cold raise to the face; what, we think CO has a draw? SB is more likely to have a draw given action.
Anyways, this is a fairly blankish turn (what, someone was on a gutshot?). Pot is now a huge $225 and we have just $225 left against the CO (who is attempting to play well) and just $125 against the maniac. Against the maniac, trivial call at this point, and I also think that's better than raising as it may entice the CO with an overpair (and we don't want to blow that out I don't think even though he has counterfeiting outs).
You basically made your bed preflop and now have to lie in it.
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I think this particular hand (bottom two) benefits from shipping here vastly more than flat calling. To me this hand is a classic illustration of one of the key concepts from Jandas book. Basically a raise or bet is both to build the pot In case we win, and to deny our opponents from realizing equity. Our particular hand in this situation benefits immensely from both of these conditions.
I like your logic of keeping CO in the pot a lot more if we were holding a less vulnerable hand like the nut straight. However a flat call here with bottom two just makes CO’s life way too easy and we actually don’t gain much by letting him see a cheap river.