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03-23-2017 , 04:48 AM
Villian Asian male mid 30s solid player, a bit on the loose side but would not b surprised if he's a winning player. Has about $600-$700

Hero dealt 88 in the CO $260 stack
UTG limps
Hero makes it $15
SB (villian) calls
Bb calls
UTG calls

Flop $60
642r
Checks around
Hero makes it $35
Villian makes a comment about how everyone missed the flop, then when I bet he mutters maybe not tanks makes the call

Turn $140
Q completing the rainbow
V checks

Q is quite a safe card it rarely ever hits villains flop calling range (Q6? Lol)
We bet $65 intending to check back all rivers except an 8

V tanks and starts talking to himself for about 2 mins then just jams it all in for $202

I just don't think v is that strong here, why would a set r 2 pair jam on such a dry board especially with such a huge raise? Q didn't help him so I think his most likely holdings are pair+gutshots

Anyone else got any input?
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03-23-2017 , 05:28 AM
Just fold.
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03-23-2017 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Redskins 47
Just fold.
Yeah, I think it's a fold. What do you see him jamming the turn with here that you beat? A fold might be exploitable, but this is 1/3 -- you should be playing exploitably.
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03-23-2017 , 07:31 AM
Only you were there but when people start making stupid comments followed by aggression it's usually an act. >1 pair usually. And it's not really that big of a raise. Your bet is close to commitment level.
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03-23-2017 , 08:26 AM
Really easy fold. I personally think betting the turn is pretty bad. You really don't want to bloat the pot with just a pair of eights, use your positional advantage & check. Usually people have what it looks like they have @ llsnl. Here it looks like a set.
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03-23-2017 , 09:48 AM
Check turn and fold to shove. Players who are weak don't generally make speeches like this before a raise. They don't want to draw attention to themselves when they're bluffing, so they keep quiet.

Last edited by Ellisdeee; 03-23-2017 at 10:09 AM.
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03-23-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
why would a set r 2 pair jam on such a dry board especially with such a huge raise?
Possibly because we are...

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intending to check back all rivers except an 8.
And as someone alluded to, the jam isn't that big. There is 200 in the pot after your turn bet.

But anyway, I fold this really quickly.
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03-23-2017 , 11:19 AM
I'm cool with preflop. I'm assuming we didn't expect to go multiway with only one limper to us in the CO.

I'm cool with our flop bet and sizing. Pretty drawless board, we're basically just betting to protect our hand if it is good and take it down now.

I'm not much for tells, but when someone says "looks like everyone missed the flop" this is actually a sign of strength, as he's trying to make it look like he knows everyone has just A high and that he's calling/betting with a weak hand that beats A high, when in reality he is hoping someone actually "surprises him" by having AA/etc. cuz he has that crushed. As I say, overall I don't put much stock in it, but that's my take on a comment like this in general.

I would perhaps lean to checking back the turn. Board is pretty drawless, hands that we are ahead of have few outs and are unlikely to pay off a second bet on this turn card (an over). I'm basically looking to squeeze one more bet out of a weak hand on the river when we are currently probably a ~9:1 fave if ahead. It also keeps the pot smaller for when we are behind (of which there is an ok chance), allows us to perhaps induce a bluffcatcher, and perhaps bink a 2 outer if behind.

I don't mind a bet/fold or this bet as the last one I put into the pot, but if betting (like we did) then a trivial fold. He's jamming it in because he's OOP and it really isn't an overbet considering our bet was so small (noting that I'm ok with the small bet).

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03-23-2017 , 01:03 PM
A turn checkraise at 1-3 on a dry board from a speech giving villain? Without a read they're capable we might have to fold top 2 here pretty often let alone 2nd pair.
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03-23-2017 , 01:21 PM
Fine with raise pre and flop bet.

I check back turn. We're way ahead/way behind here, try to get to showdown in position.

As played it's pretty easy fold. V should be jamming all of his value hands here. It's a 1/2 pot sized bet. No reason for him to wait until river to gii, especially OOP.

While I fold in a vacuum, all the live tells make me want to fold even more. V was talking which is a sign of strength. V also tank/jammed, which is a sign of strength.
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03-24-2017 , 06:52 PM
I took the live tells as weakness, it didn't seem like he was acting at all just seemed like he thought I had nothing and was shoving with a pair+gutshot, I thought about all the hands V could have here out of the sb and none of his holdings that are ahead make sense to jam here instead of making a smaller raise.

I call and hold vs AJo he just put me on air and wanted to take down the pot
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03-25-2017 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
I took the live tells as weakness, it didn't seem like he was acting at all just seemed like he thought I had nothing and was shoving with a pair+gutshot, I thought about all the hands V could have here out of the sb and none of his holdings that are ahead make sense to jam here instead of making a smaller raise.

I call and hold vs AJo he just put me on air and wanted to take down the pot
Good read. Good call. It''s so hard to know exactly what to do unless you're actually in real time playing the hand. To us it looks like an easy fold but you called based on your reads and that's great. More often than not villain's won't be showing up with ace high here though and you will be beat, even if their line doesn't make sense to us (thinking players)
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03-25-2017 , 08:54 PM
A lot of these hands I've posted I've made the correct situational call, but 90% of comments are just saying trivially easy fold, I'm wondering if I'm playing poorly here and just getting lucky or if love reads are just so essential that I can't really convey a proper hh through text?
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03-25-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Turtol
A lot of these hands I've posted I've made the correct situational call, but 90% of comments are just saying trivially easy fold, I'm wondering if I'm playing poorly here and just getting lucky or if love reads are just so essential that I can't really convey a proper hh through text?
Live reads and game flow are huge which can't really be conveyed properly online. I've made some sick calls that everyone on two plus two would have said to fold. Keep doing what you're doing your intuition seems to be good. Just don't get carried away with "hero" calls.
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03-25-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Redskins 47
Live reads and game flow are huge which can't really be conveyed properly online. I've made some sick calls that everyone on two plus two would have said to fold. Keep doing what you're doing your intuition seems to be good. Just don't get carried away with "hero" calls.
I don't think this example was exactly a hero call, in my mind I'm still beating some of his value range (pair+gutshot) and his line for his range just doesn't look that strong
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