Villain hasn't shown down many hands. Seems to be playing fit or fold post, but hard to say. Neither has hero, been card dead but raising pre a fair amount. Come back after a 30 min break.

Open 33 in MP to 15. Villain calls on BTN. Flop comes:

K42r (30)
I bet 15 and villain calls. I put him on K9+ and pp's 5-J.

Turn is Q (60)
I bet 30 and villain calls. Thinking can fold the pp's. But possible he stuck around with higher ones or called with AQ.

River is K (120)
I bet 50...figure if he still has a pp he folds or somehow got a Q. He's been staring at the board the whole time so it just seems like he's weak. Does this find enough folds or I am just a complete donkey?

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Donkey.

What are the blinds?

Pre and flop are okay. Turn and river should be c/f.

If a villain is fit or fold, and they don't fold, maybe don't barrel against them.

The turn isn't a great card to bluff on, and the river is terrible to bluff a fit or fold player who called 2 streets.

Also, if you are going to fire multiple barrels and try to push villains off TPWK and other showdown value hands, you are going to need to size up more on the turn and river.

Fit or fold? Raise pre OK, bet flop OK. Give up turn/river. If you are going to bet turn/river, go a bit higher on both, but I don't advocate betting them.

Bad play.

You didn't mention the stakes - if it's 1/2 or 1/3, pf is okay but you could also just limp or open fold. If it's 2/5 this is way too small sizing. Flop is also okay, but you should be shutting down after that, unless you get a good barrel card. You should be thinking about your plan for the hand both pre and otf. On this flop, I would be firing once to fold out Ax and other overs to my pair and mayyyybe getting value from like exactly A4 if the guy is bad. All Ks are calling you.

Ott, I could get behind barreling a 6, 5, 3, and A, which is 14 cards so just under 1/3 of the time. Otherwise I'm shutting down and checking to the river, unless I spike my set.

I'll assume 1/3 NL and $300 (100bb) effective? You and I obviously play in different games since your fairly smallish preflop raises are often getting things HU. I typically dump small pocket pairs here at my tables, but looks like you know your table as a raise has managed to get this HU. Still, we're OOP (which can often be expected if we're raising from MP) and we have a hand that is going to absolutely hate almost all flops. Meh, imo.

I like our small cbet and now I'm pretty much done with the hand since the fit/folder didn't fold.

Not a horrendous card to double barrel (almost as good as the A), as it is one that hits our range and will make calling with smaller pairs virtually impossible. But the thing is, the fit/folder didn't fold the flop. Which mainly leans his range to non-folding Kx (KQ being a *huge* part of that Kx range for anyone who falls on the tighter end of calling preflop raises) or a set. I'm definitely done with bluffing once he calls the turn again because now we know he doesn't have JJ- and is basically never going to fold.

I think our ranging is wack if we still expect him to show up with JJ- by the time we get to the river. And even Qx is a stretch (he called the flop with UI AQ?), and does he really fold that enough?

Overall, I think the majority of the hand is spew, but it's possible I'm wrong.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Limp pre, check flop, check turn, check river.

Players at this level call too much, particularly when bets are sized small, and particularly when they have "invested" money on each of the previous streets. This is why 3barrelling is bad here and is generally ill advised at this level in general. The other issue with your line is that the cards don't change anything. Anytime the top card pairs on the river it makes it far less likely that you have that card which makes their relative hand strength greater. From the villain's perspective nothing changed from the turn to the river. If they had the best hand then they still have the best hand.

Yeah, it seemed like strangely good at the time. Then after I'm thinking wtf. He's just staring at the board, then took a while to call then turns over KTo. He goes "he could have AK", like his decision is that tough for the price. Realized I wasn't paying attention and barreled a fish later.

Think I'm raising too many pp's oop...is it better to be HU/3way oop or limp in 5 way/limpcall 3-5 way? I just hate limpcalling and it ends up hu.


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Small pocket pairs play much better in multiway pots. They are going to be **** on the vast majority of boards but when they spike a set they are pretty much the nuts. My preference would be to see cheap flops with lots of players (increasing the odds that we can value with our hand when we hit).

Really depends on how aggro preflop and payoffy postflop your table is, but recently I've concluded that at my aggro preflop / non-payoffy postflop table that simply folding small pairs preflop is likely the best move (unless we're in LP and can overlimp into a pot for cheap / see a raise and a bunch of callers before calling in position).

GobviouslytabledependentG

Meh you bet 50 to win 120 and he was having a hard time calling with a king. Not the worst thing I've ever seen, pot odds probably don't even cross this guy's mind. I've made a fortune off of bluffing small otr when scary cards hit the board. However I feel like he just has a king here pretty often.

The lesson to learn here is that the next time you have TPTK against this player, he's going to call you down 3 streets. Stop worrying about how to bluff LLSNL players off of TP and start looking at maximizing value when you can beat TP.

I suspect this one is a donkey very expensive $$ "play money" PokerStars Zoom move. You should go there and practice all those advanced "funny plays" for free. They give you $12.500 every 4 hours "play money" free. ..haha...haha

But, still,.. I don't think this play/situation could NOT possibly be real ... but on the other hand look at this video of Henry Van Tran playing to perfection in a similar situation in WSOP almost like yourself ..=====> WSOP video clip ... Click here

How it looks to you?

Your 33 from MP 2! and get called by BTN, (you'll be having a underpair most of the time and be OOP) Not good! .., anyway, so you put him on K9+ .. etc and still bet into a K42 flop, continue betting into the Q OTT and betting the 3rd time into another K OTR but now he's not on K9+ anymore but a Q?

What is this? - is this the way you analyze a situation playing for hard cash?
This is not a video game but money against other people's money. It seems to me that you keep adjusting the reading of the board/situation to fit your unjustifiable actions. It gets real funny looking from outside.

Good replies. My question is why did you think V would fold a better hand given your bet sizing?

Some players don't know what pot odds are, like I said. $50 is a big bet to them no matter how much is already in the pot. Same kinda guys bet $20 on every street when theyre very strong. Makes bluffing very profitable when you're up against guys like this. The fact that he tank called trips leads me to believe he's this kinda guy.

Yeah for whatever reason I didn't think he had a king (wishful thinking). I actually got all his chips on another hand.

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Seems like a horrible spot to triple barrel given villain description but if you do you need to size much bigger

You bet into 'fit or fold' player on a k high board after putting him on K9+ Then you bet out the river on a card that could only help him based on the action.

Some of you are not playing the same low limit game I learned. Either you're not trusting your reads at all or there's too much bluffing at these levels.

Generally a bad idea to just close your eyes and hope he doesn't have a hand. This should have probably been check/called and then folded on the turn.

Your river bluff needs to succeed 29% with this sizing. If villain only calls Kx and boats here then it's probably fine as Kx and boats do not comprise 29% of his range. The K is not good for your range but this guy sounds pretty nitty. I might barrel here depending on villain but it's a bit spewy against many.

Cards that pair the board are not great for barreling, particularly the middle cards. The best cards are those that make a 4-flush, 4-straight, overcards, 3-flush, 3-straight, multiple straights, and straights, approx. in that order.

Always ask yourself whether the card significantly changes hand strengths from the previous street. Generally the more it does, the better it is to bluff.

And I tend to bluff larger but the important thing is to size your bluffs like your value bets. Bluffs and value bets should look identical to your opponent, from timing to sizing etc. And always be aware how villain views you. If you're viewed as tight, conservative, smart, etc., you can get away with bluffs a lot more often than if you're viewed as loose / gambly

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I doubt he's folding virtually anything to this river bet after calling the turn. You are putting way too much stock in him tanking. Players tank all the time, but I don't believe it is necessarily because there is a real possibility they might fold but rather because they have very small poker brains and it takes them a long time to process all the information. Sometimes I wonder if there is anything going on in their minds at all.

"*** damn he might have it he might not **** brbrbkblb trips brblbrl damn hm he could ahem he would ahem he should ahem damn what now hm brblblrbl trips Ray Allen saved Lebrons Legacy grmm call"

thanks for your long post. I didn't read it lol

Maybe you should cause you couldn't have played the hand worse and seem to have zero understanding of basic concepts. Amazing sizing throughout though.