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06-20-2017 , 08:40 AM
V is relatively new to the table. He's been more active and more aggro than average but not maniacal. Stack ~ 180

Hero's been about the same since V's been there. Won a couple hand w/o showdown. Covers

Multiple limpers Hero $20 with A8 in the B
V calls quickly from the BB
2 other limpers call

Flop $80
AJ6
checks to H $50, V shuffles chips for a while cuts out calls and raises and settles on $100, fold, fold, H ???

I don't love my flop bet in retrospect. My thinking at the time is that the limpers at least are pretty much dead money since they'd likely have raised a decent A. Board isn't exactly dry so I can get a call from a club draw. V in the BB however can easily have a better A.

Given his stack I assume it's fold or shove here? I have to think he's shoving any turn if we call.
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06-20-2017 , 10:38 AM
Not sure about that raise pre. Didn't seem to thin the field too much, but at least you have position. just too many better Aces out there that limp/call. Agree that you could have checked flop, but since it was checked to you, I don't mind the c-bet. I probably just let it go now, though.
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06-20-2017 , 11:00 AM
I suspect that the call from BB started the avalanche. A lot of these have been getting through pre.
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06-20-2017 , 11:10 AM
Risky raise preflop.

As played fold. You have a backdoor flush draw but in my opinion, his most likely hand here is two pairs (AJ, A6), possibly 66 (don't discount AK either).

As matter of fact with 4 players on the flop you can arguably check behind. You can't call a check-raise. Your hand can face a bet turn on blank though.
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06-20-2017 , 12:26 PM
I don't like the raise pre. I prefer with weak Ax suited to allow weaker flush draws into the hand and not to get myself in the spot you're currently in. No point in trying to steal the limpers money.

As played, fold.
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06-20-2017 , 12:32 PM
Pre is fine IMO, but I wouldn't hate a limp.

As played, I like checking flop for pot control.
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06-20-2017 , 09:03 PM
Not sure what's going on above me, perhaps they didn't see Vs stack size, but I think you played this hand well as long as you didn't fold, AP just stuff it.

Sure pre might be a touch loose but ok. You need to bet a little more on the flop and check never. NH overall imo.
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06-20-2017 , 10:27 PM
Limp pre, AP, fold. Your hand is a bluff catcher at this point.
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06-20-2017 , 10:51 PM
Preflop is fine. I think overall AXs should be a mix of calls and raises.
I think folding the flop is weak. Villain has only $60 behind so I don't think he folds to a shove and he probably shoves a set. I think we are against another weak ace here. I'd call and re-evaluate on the turn.
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06-21-2017 , 12:00 AM
Pre is fine, actually preferred to call easily, but i don't hate the call mixed in

flop bet is terrible. check and see what happens. you don't want to try for three streets on this board anway. At most bet turn and river depending on what happens.

Def check call is better on flop. Turn and river are dependent but likely hero is checking most turns except any 8, spade, 9 or 10 OTT we can bet comfortably. We also like betting any 6 that falls as well.
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06-21-2017 , 12:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJackhammer
Limp pre, AP, fold. Your hand is a bluff catcher at this point.
In a spot where V is jamming his entire continuing range 4way shallow. There's no reason to believe herondoesnt have a quarter pot share which is roughly what's needed to jam assuming V doesn't fold.
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06-21-2017 , 01:55 AM
Yeah just shove.

Flop is a check with backdoor spades
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06-21-2017 , 07:45 AM
V can easily have a draw but it's going to be really expensive to find out. After flatting your large open I would expect this to be JJ AK QKcc or maybe 66/ A6s.

I'm fine just letting this one go. We have better hands to call down and play for stacks with.

I don't know if we are deepstacked enough to raise this pre although I think it's fine.
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06-21-2017 , 09:44 AM
How is $180 shallow or why is it worth looking at V's stack size as if it's small. It's basically 100bb. We could be good here, but we shouldn't be unless V is terribad, which is not indicated at all in the OP. H so likely has an A. I guess those who advocate shove are just praying that V is raising with a draw? If so, why the min-raise? Most aggressive V's just shove with a draw or bet more than min-raise. The min-raise makes me think he wants a call (or shove) from H.
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06-21-2017 , 01:44 PM
The min raise is often TPWK or flush draw. Just call, expecting to call the shove OTT.

V's most likely hand is AX. We win some, we lose some.
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06-21-2017 , 03:17 PM
V is not terribad. V can have AK here. Those 2 seem opposed because I think flatting AK oop here is terribad but it's also something I see in this population out of players who aren't otherwise terribad.

Villain's stack size is relevant not necessarily because he's short in absolute terms but because his SPR is 2.

I don't think we can say V shoves sets on the flop. The SPR is small enough that there's not really any reason for him to raise at all if he hopes to get it in. If he's nutted I'd expect him to call and invite the limpers and worst case for him if turn checks through he can just shove river for < PSB.

I think Hero's hand looks like AK/AQ most of the time. Betting into 3 players I'm essentially overreping my hand which is why in retrospect I don't like the flop lead. TPWK and BDFD is too good to turn into a bluff.

I don't get call and evaluate at all here. If I call I'm never folding. The only advantage to calling I can see is that we can shove the turn with a tiny bit of FE if V checks a non-club turn.
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