Originally Posted by CyrusJavid
Thanks for your insightful input. Since I have to choose between your words of wisdom (some unknown in UK), and those of the guys who have made me bunch of money, I am sorry to inform you that your words of wisdom means nothing, and I am going with the other guys.
But again, thanks for your input.
The guys who wrote that book would never tell you to check this flop nor to shove over the raise.
I think it's a fantastic book and it definitely helps with the thought process for how to plan your hand, but you are turning it into a set of rules rather than a set of principles. It wasn't too long after that book was written that I heard Flynn talk about how games had changed since writing the book and that a lot of the things they advocated didn't work as much any more. Note that in the book they talk about massaging raise sizes pre to create the right SPR, and then in their next book they advocate not varying open raise sizes pre. The difference was the games they were writing about.
One of the major exceptions to commitment is when you have a reliable read that you are beat. In this case, the raise is a fairly reliable piece of information that says we are beat. And checking the flop is awful because we likely have the best hand, but if we give free cards it is also very likely we'll get outdrawn.
In Ed Miller's latest book he talks about bet/folding being a good play that all TAGs have in their arsenal. Yet b/f is not a play that really fits with a lot of their pot commitment stuff in PNL. The key is that you can b/f when the raise is reliably a range that is crushing you- and at these stakes it is.