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05-31-2012, 07:19 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 694
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TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
V is a dealer somewhere, ultra aggro, bluffed several rivers in weird ways like minraise bluff...floats twice, fires river as a bluff line, too. He looks like he's "merging", but is probably just too loose pre and tryin to be too creative post.
I figured I'd weak-bet one we got in a hand to prime the pump.
ES $200 (100bb). I raise AdKd UTG $12, three callers including V in SB.
Flop: ($48) As 6d 2d
V ch, I lead $15, folds to V, calls.
Turn: ($78) Jc
V c/c my $20.
River: ($118) 3h
V fires $75.
Call? Shove? Betsizing?
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05-31-2012, 07:30 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Indiana
Posts: 23
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
Betsizing is entirely too small on the flop and the turn.. $30 on the flop and then $60-70 on the turn.. as played, calling the river, shove is never getting called by worse.
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05-31-2012, 07:34 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Barcelona
Posts: 4,014
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
This is fine. Taking non-standard lines for very specific reasons is great and this hand is perfect to do it with since you crush the board so much it seems you won't be losing a tonne of value from the other players with your small sizing.
Snap river. Obviously you lose sometimes but your hand should look a lot like KK-TT so he should have plenty air/hand turned into bluff/worse aces to call.
Shoving is bad unless he is mentally retarded.
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05-31-2012, 07:46 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 639
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
As played, you have to call the river for the reason Setsy says above.
Personally, I am checking the flop.
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05-31-2012, 07:55 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 315
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
You have incited a bluff from a guy who loves bluffing rivers. Your plan has been successful you can't raise cus few worse hands are calling maybe AQ but raising the river is so strong here it prolly folds out A10- unless he has no concept of relative hand strength which I imagine he must given his profession.
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05-31-2012, 09:13 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 694
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
What if V's tilting hardcore after a prev hand where he doubled a 100bb super-fish who called $18 pre with 82o and went runner-runner for a boat to crack KK on QJ882 by calling twice and shoving V's final vbet OTR?
I left this info out of OP as it seems highly read-dependent, but does that push us more toward a shove as V could potentially spite-call worse?
Also, we only have $78 behind so it's basically a minraise to push...
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06-01-2012, 12:26 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: culinary ninja
Posts: 3,940
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
villain prob has more air/missed draws in his range than rando AX he wants to b/c the river with, you sort of set this up with your small sizing which I sort of like vs this guy if you snapped the river.
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06-01-2012, 12:54 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 547
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
Grunch....
I could see V having Ax for 2p here.
I think you have to call the river here. If you were to shove, he either calls and wins or mucks, not really changing your result in a positive way.
I know you are holding TPTK and a huge draw, but I still would be more on the flop and turn. Probably bet $30-35 on the flop with a turn bet of 75-80.
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06-01-2012, 02:45 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 694
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
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06-01-2012, 02:52 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Enlightenment
Posts: 14,277
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
Bet 25 on the flop, 60 on the turn, call/ship river
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06-01-2012, 03:17 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,647
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
bet stronger. Its not worth trying to get him to bluff the river, you only have one pair here, and you'd probably have gotten just as much out of this hand by betting the flop and turn harder.
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06-01-2012, 03:19 PM
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adept
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 1,030
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
Bet 25 on the flop, 60 on the turn, call/ship river
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this
as played call
your bet sizing was terrible tho
bet more
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06-01-2012, 05:05 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 537
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
I don't think you can make a small bet on the flop in an attempt to exploit the 1 player in front of you when there are 2 more players behind you. If it was HU then it makes more sense.
The vast majority of your opponents' calling range on the flop is worse aces and worse flush draws so just go for max value against those, though it's okay to bet smaller to keep them around since you have a hammerlock on the hand. If the flush comes you're getting all of the money from a lower flush regardless and a weaker ace has only 2-3 outs.
I would bet $30 on the flop and $60 on the turn...same as 11t said. That sets up a river bet of $110 into a pot of $228
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06-01-2012, 07:24 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 626
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
Bet sizing is retarded, especially on the turn. If you are worried about getting raised off your draw just check.
As played, snap call on river.
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06-01-2012, 09:39 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,121
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Re: TPTK+NFD vs aggro-dealer
Turn is way too small.
As played call easy. Raising is stupid
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