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Old 08-08-2012, 05:45 PM   #16
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Re: TPTK Every Street (Commentary Appreciated)

A couple comments:

- This is 5/5, not 1/2, I can't imagine folding pre-flop without a read here

- Flop lead is fine

- With all the draws out there the turn bet is too small. Given your stack, I think you have to just shove, betting 1/2-2/3 of pot leaves you with so little behind that you'd never fold it to a raise and you, by your admission, think you are ahead of his range and want to punish his draw.

- What is the point of betting $150 on river? Just bet $300 or check. No one is calling $150 who isn't calling $300 IMO, and you're never folding if he ships. This is a value leak.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:56 PM   #17
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Iit's not just a matter of equity. It's a matter of not having ample room to maneuver post flop (against a cbet) given eff stacks. Also, most importantly we are oop and are going to make more mistakes than villain.

A claim with no proof.

flop comes Q97 hero checks, villain bets, hero?
flop comes AQ9 hero checks, villain bets, hero?
flop comes KT7 hero checks villain bets, hero?
flop comes 953 hero checks, villain bets, hero?

Villain is betting his entire 3betting range on the flop..we either make the mistake of folding the best hand or calling with the worst hand, or folding a chop.

I fail to see how betting 100% of your hands ensures that Villain is playing his hand well.

We are only going to love very few flops...and if it hits our hand hard, chances are villain isn't putting much more money into the pot

Is Villain loving more flops than us or is he just putting lots of money in the pot with flops he doesn't like?

Again, this is all premised on the notion that villain is an unknown. If we have reads that villain is a overplaying fish, 3bets light, or he shuts down post flop, or only bets the absolute nuts, then folding AK pre is wrong.

edit: Just my opinion in these spots..not implying anything more by my post
I don't know whether you can see it but your post proved absolutely nothing. You made a claim and then followed it up with text that didn't prove anything at all.

Lack of room to maneuver is a huge advantage for a hand that, if it hits a flop, most likely makes top pair.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:02 PM   #18
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Lack of room to maneuver is a huge advantage for a hand that, if it hits a flop, most likely makes top pair.
lol at thinking that making TPTK is going to be good enough against an unknown villain's 3betting range.


edit: You obviously don't value position high enough when making your decisions. To me, this is a clear call when I have position and questionable against an unknown players's 3bet when oop
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:18 AM   #19
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AP I dislike the preflop flat as we move throughout the hand totally blind and without initiative. I also hate the flop donk bet. It basically turns our hand faceup waving a flag that we have a K, now what does he want to do about it.



5-5 Deepstack buyin is notorious for luring "action" aggressive players to the tables. I would play differently a bit here due to this.

I would make my determination on nothing other than the villains looks when sitting down with 1200 in a 5-5 action deepstack game. (I have nothing else to go on) If he remotely looks like a guy who wants to stimulate action and create an image for himself (or capable of that), then I 4 bet / call maybe around $245. AK suited is strong enough to bulldoze over any 99 TT JJ he may have, flip with QQ and I take my chances that a guy sitting down deep has AA or KK when I have AKs right out the gate.

In general, other 2-5 100bb average games, this would be a crummy spot and I would prolly fold AKo vs the avg. unknown 3 betting an UTG raiser. AKs would make it slightly tougher but I may still make the same fold depending on the aggressive or nitty look of the villain. The average 100bb game range of an unknown here 3 betting would be QQ KK AA and sometimes (not always) AK. Thus, I fold.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:53 PM   #20
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Flop is KT6.
Overall I'm reasonably happy with the flop but I don't really want to see any more streets. I fairly quickly lead out $150. MP3 practically insta-calls.
You need to adjust your thinking here - the correct bet size is the biggest one that he will call with an inferior range. If we really didn't want to see any more streets, we could just shove all in.

The goal is not to get the flush draw to fold - it's to get the flush draw to call (meaning he's going to hit his flush around 1 in 5 times on the next card). You make the most money keeping the draws in, and letting them draw out on you occasionally.
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