Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Not that I'm ever folding if I'm betting due to the pot / stack size, but the above sentence doesn't make sense. Are you saying a shove over our bet is weaker than a call?
im saying i would valuebet here because i think it is a much better option than to check. i dont see many hands villain could call flop and turn with and now feels the reason to bluff, and he wont be valuebetting worse, so check call is no option.
i feel we are behind here pretty often, against top pair better kicker and weak two pair. but there are still a lot of hands which can call us here or decide to hero us, more than 50%, so i think it is a pretty clear valuebet. we lose pretty often though so i said that i actually expect to be behind from time to time.
HOWEVER: if he all of the sudden decides to raise us, this makes no sense at all. i cant see of a hand which flats flop and turn and all of the sudden feels the need to valueraise when the 4h hits. its an extremely polarizing spot, and given villains description, and i also think any made hand would raise us on the turn here and bottom two wouldnt value raise river if we valuebet, a raise would look extremely bluffy to me and i would expect to be good almost always.
thats why i said that, i just wanted some discussion with a provocative statement