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Old 06-27-2012, 09:04 PM   #16
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Re: TPGK vs Drunk OOP

I'd bet about 1/2 pot on flop and turn. That way, you could go for a bet fold on the river for thin value without committing yourself.

as played, I would check the river. If he bets, I would probably fold. I doubt he is betting with a weak pair or something like 99. I also doubt he will bet with TP since most calling stations are pretty tight bettors/raisers.

also, I would probably tighten up my opening range if villain has position on me since this guy will likely call you and you will rarely have position.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:11 PM   #17
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The "thin the field" comment and my "standard" C-bet comes from my strong tourney background (leak?). Granted I only have ~55 hrs back playing since I returned to the game after a 7 yr break,but the concept still seems to work. It could be a leak for me (I don't have enough hrs in yet) but in that time when I pot (or close to pot) the "semi" thinking and scared $ get out of the way unless they have good piece of it.Gamblers and droolers will never change, but I still have a better understanding of wher I stand in the hand.

I have fairly good concept of the game and theory. What I lack is good live "deepstack" understanding of the game. When I stopped playing in '05. 50bb Bi w/10hr seat charge or home games and tourneys was your options and at that point in time there wasn't a Llsnl forum so anything I learnd was from OL players.
So what do you do differently on the turn if 2 people call instead of 1?
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:51 AM   #18
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So what do you do differently on the turn if 2 people call instead of 1?
As stated in my op more than 1 caller (and an over card on the turn) I'm done. With this board as played with 2 callers I check unless I have a decent read. If its checked back on the turn I will b/f the river
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:10 PM   #19
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Re: TPGK vs Drunk OOP

...so after I put in my $110 bet on the river villian tanks and starts staring at me again for a good 3 min (I'm watching the tv behind him) stands up and looks quite stressed about this bet. Looks at the board then back at me. Finally after about 4 min villian 2 calls the clock on him. Finally calls and I show. He flips over T9o. Someone yells out "jack plays".

What do you guys generally do when someone tanks for that long? I tend to either stare the the board or tv but after a couple min I get fidgety. Doesn't matter if I'm strong or weak. Any tips?
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:23 PM   #20
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...so after I put in my $110 bet on the river villian tanks and starts staring at me again for a good 3 min (I'm watching the tv behind him) stands up and looks quite stressed about this bet. Looks at the board then back at me. Finally after about 4 min villian 2 calls the clock on him. Finally calls and I show. He flips over T9o. Someone yells out "jack plays".

What do you guys generally do when someone tanks for that long? I tend to either stare the the board or tv but after a couple min I get fidgety. Doesn't matter if I'm strong or weak. Any tips?
The percentage difference this guy calls $110 versus a shove of $170 is negligible. For example, if he calls a $110 bet 50% of the time, he'd only have to call a $170 shove 32% of the time for a shove to be as profitable; there is simply no way he's calling one large bet half the time and the other one (which is really only "slightly" larger) a mere third of the time. We left money on the table, IMO (if our plan was to play for stacks with TPmehK, which is the situation we got ourselves in on the river).

If you're worried about giving off "tells" during this tanking period (and, frankly, I wouldn't be worried about it), try to do something repetitive and active. If I still have chips in front of me, I usually take a stack of them and just break them down into smaller stacks / stack / unstack them over and over again with one hand. If I don't have chips in front of me, I usually just slowly move my top card over top of my bottom card by an inch or so, back and forth, with my protecting hand. It just gives the brain a repetitive active task to focus on which might help.

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Old 06-28-2012, 01:45 PM   #21
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Re: TPGK vs Drunk OOP

i valuebet 120, expect to be behind sometimes. if he shoves i call, expect to be ahead almost always.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:57 PM   #22
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i valuebet 120, expect to be behind sometimes. if he shoves i call, expect to be ahead almost always.
Not that I'm ever folding if I'm betting due to the pot / stack size, but the above sentence doesn't make sense. Are you saying a shove over our bet is weaker than a call?
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:40 PM   #23
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Not that I'm ever folding if I'm betting due to the pot / stack size, but the above sentence doesn't make sense. Are you saying a shove over our bet is weaker than a call?
im saying i would valuebet here because i think it is a much better option than to check. i dont see many hands villain could call flop and turn with and now feels the reason to bluff, and he wont be valuebetting worse, so check call is no option.
i feel we are behind here pretty often, against top pair better kicker and weak two pair. but there are still a lot of hands which can call us here or decide to hero us, more than 50%, so i think it is a pretty clear valuebet. we lose pretty often though so i said that i actually expect to be behind from time to time.

HOWEVER: if he all of the sudden decides to raise us, this makes no sense at all. i cant see of a hand which flats flop and turn and all of the sudden feels the need to valueraise when the 4h hits. its an extremely polarizing spot, and given villains description, and i also think any made hand would raise us on the turn here and bottom two wouldnt value raise river if we valuebet, a raise would look extremely bluffy to me and i would expect to be good almost always.

thats why i said that, i just wanted some discussion with a provocative statement
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