12:30am hero moved to this table after his table broke. Had a choice between a table that was in a pretty heated argument, or a table that chips were flying half the table was drunk. LoL no brainer.

Villian 1: ($270) Late 20's white male. Wearing T-shirt and ball cap backwards.drinking beer and from the look on his face he's been at it for a while. Limp/call from any position but really wide lp likes to hero fairly weak (seen him do it 4 times since I sat down and actually caught a guy when he called with 2nd pr. Against 3pr was only a $55 pot tho). About 20min B4 this hand he called a raise from tight MP player in CO with Q8. Flop came 988 mp checks. He bets 1/4 pot, MP calls. Turn is Q filling him up.MP bets pot, he shoves,MP insta calls shows 99 for bigger full. He reloaded to 300 with $10's and $20's and has donked off $30 limp/call folding flop.

Villian 2: ($230) Late 20's asian male. Also drunk. Very chatty and sumwhat obnoxious. Limp/calls pretty much every hand. Pretty fit or fold post flop from what I've seen so far.

Villian 3: ($350) early 20's asian male. Been pretty quiet. Hasn't raised any hands. Limp/calls a lot.havnt seen him do much but fold post flop.

Hero: ($488) 40 year old white male. Chatting it up a few players around me. Wearing a black (hawiian) shirt, cargo shorts, derby cap. Have been at this table about 35-40 min. Only hand of note was when I squeezed when Mp 50's lady raised got 3 callers and I 3bet with 99 in the bb. Folded to Mp who looks at me and says y so much? I smile and give her a wink..she mucks .Not really sure how a half drunk table is gonna read that!?

To the hand...

Folds to hero in HJ raises to $10 with JsTs

Co folds

Btn (villian 1 calls)

Sb + BB (V2, V3) both call

Pot ($35)

Flop: Tc 6d 3s

Checked to hero who bets $30

I want to narrow the field with this bet. Not to scared with flop but my hand is fairly weak against 3callers. If I get more than 1 caller and an over hits I'm pretty much done. If someone raises here I'm done as well.

Villian 1 calls blinds fold.

At this point Villians range is still fairly wide to me. Ax,Kx,Qx,Tx,78,89,97 any 6 or 3 and any PP. Thoughts on range?

Pot ($95)

Turn: 8c

Hero bets $60?

Wasn't super thrilled with the 8c because with a lot of his range he could have picked up equity. Didn't want the bet to be too big in case he raises but want to still get value from hands I beat. Thoughts?

Villian thinks for a good min. Looks at the board....and then starts staring me down. Thinks some more and calls.

Pot ($215)

River: 4h

Hero?

I welcome thoughts on all streets and my thought process through the hand.

Not important but isn't pot going to flop $40, $10 from you and 3 callers?

After he flats the flop I think his range is a lot of overs, gutshots to a 10-hi straight, mid pairs, JT, QT, KT, (AT probably raising) maybe even mining with 55, 44, 22.

I like the sizing on the turn. The small pairs get out now for sure, the 78, 89, 77, 99 remains, you seem to think he can even still be floating overs.

If you lead river again I don't see him calling with worse. But he's wide enough to think you still have the lead. I'd c/c trying to induce a bluff.

i think your range for V is too big.. you nearly bet pot on flop on a fairly dry board, i dont expect anyone to be callling too often here with a gutshot or middle pair..

i really dont think the 8 changes much on the turn.. if V was calling your psb on the flop with 79, then good for him for catching his 4outer getting the wrong odds to call for it

i range V on two overs looking to catch, sometimes a better TX (AT, KT, QT), worse TX (T9, T8s, T7s), and even some combos of middle pair (6X)

i think your lead for 60 is fine on the turn, id say check/calling is also fine

river i check/call... if you lead, the board is still fairly dry that i cant see many hands you beat that youre going to get value from

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We can definitely go for a thin value bet against this V, 1/3 - 1/2 ish pot, $105

If he has us out kicked meh, if he raises, we can fold since your description didn't really show him bluffing

As played, I'm not that big a fan of the preflop raise because you have zero fold equity vs this type of villain. So you should play more ABC and increase your raising range to 99+, QJ+, K9+

Basically vs this V you want to have TPGK or better and prison rape him because he's never folding. I still think we are ahead w TPMK but its thin.

Ya I wasn't quite sure if the raise PF was a good choice with the Villians behind me to act PF but figured I had position on the sober kid (v3) only really had to worry about V1 and from what I saw up to this point I could make the right decisions post flop.

When villian took so long to act and was trying to get a read off me I thought I was still ahead here and didn't think the 4. Helped him at all. I looked at his stack and grabed a stack of nickels and threw 2 more on top. ($110)

I was going for value here but didn't know if it was spewy or not. My read on villian was he was he wanted to fold but had something to bluff catch with. I also wasn't sure if my bet size there was good or not. I didn't want to go too big and fold out hands I beat only to get called by hands that beat me.

I don't think there is any need to be so much on the flop. The size of the flop bet really sets things up so that we'll be playing for stacks by the river. And even though main villain seems to be willing to make hero calls with poor hands, I'm not exactly sure I want to play for $270 stacks with TPmehK. It's a drawless board, I probably just cbet a typical 1/2 PSB.

Ditto for turn. Board has gotten a little more drawy, but there's no reason to believe he's picked up a backdoor flush/straight draw. I again probably just go 1/2 PSB (folding to a raise).

The problem (or, at least I think it is a problem) with these bigger bet sizes is that now we're on the river with TPmehK in a $215 pot where the remaining stack is only $170. We've unwittingly committed ourselves, as I don't believe we can bet/fold with this pot/stack size (others might disagree). We're actually behind more Tx hands than ahead. Tricky spot, IMO. He's shown a willingness to payoff on the river with poor hands (so I guess 99/77/6x). At this point, I'd probably just shove.

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based on your description this villain never folds.

I don't think the value bet is spew, but its thin.

I can see V's range as T6-AT so, our JT basically falls dead in the center of V's range. I'd just like to be a little more to the right of V's range, QT, KT, AT and JJ would be more or less the nuts . Basically, more to the right we are, more hands V can have that pay us off.

and given the board texture, probability is highest that he has a T, and if so, the only Tx we beat are T9 and T7 the rest of V's possible Tens beat us.

Of course, we have a chance of V showing up with something retardo like chasing a gut shot with 98 and hitting the 8.

He can also show up with QT here...

^This.

I'd probably go for a blocker bet and make something like $40. Live fish turn a lot of hands into bluffs here, and could easily bet with 99 or QT or something because "hey, I have a pair, and you're supposed to bet with pairs!".

My standard c-bet is generally 2/3+ depending the situation. I didn't want any more than 1 caller with this bet. Don't know what Villians 2+3 had but with 2 drunks and 1 sober player in on the flop. I want my bet to do exactly what it did. Could a 1/2 size bet done that? Possibly depending on their holdings but if they think at all ...$30 into a $35 pot into 3 players makes them think a little harder. Yes it sets me up to play for more $ by the river but also makes it easier to figure out where I stand in the hand IMHO.

As for shoving the river I did think about it but didn't think I would get a call by a worse hand. Yes this guy has a tendency to hero call but at the same time I think if I put him all in and he's weak it gives him the opportunity to make the right decision and fold. I want him to make the wrong choice....whatever that might be (call with worse or fold the best) I doubt he ever folds better.

I think this is great thinking for preflop (i.e. only wanting one caller) but on the flop I don't think our bet size has much to do with how many callers we're going to get; it's simply up to what hands are involved. If we get 3 callers to a 1/2 PSB it's because 3 people have hands (and has nothing to do with them distinguishing between a 1/4 PSB vs 1/2 PSB vs 3/4 PSB etc.), and we'll have to consider shutting down on the turn.

Of course, if our plan is to set things up to play for stacks against the calling station, then I'm all for betting more on the flop. I just don't think this is what we typically want to do with TPmehK, but I might be missing out on value here.

Yeah I wanted to comment on this unusual "thin the field postflop" fallacy mentioned earlier. At no point are we ever cbetting to get x amount of players to fold/call. It doesnt matter if 1 person or 3 people call, it's not like our hand gets suddenly stronger.

The "thin the field" comment and my "standard" C-bet comes from my strong tourney background (leak?). Granted I only have ~55 hrs back playing since I returned to the game after a 7 yr break,but the concept still seems to work. It could be a leak for me (I don't have enough hrs in yet) but in that time when I pot (or close to pot) the "semi" thinking and scared $ get out of the way unless they have good piece of it.Gamblers and droolers will never change, but I still have a better understanding of wher I stand in the hand.

I have fairly good concept of the game and theory. What I lack is good live "deepstack" understanding of the game. When I stopped playing in '05. 50bb Bi w/10hr seat charge or home games and tourneys was your options and at that point in time there wasn't a Llsnl forum so anything I learnd was from OL players.