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Tough spot with QQ - 500bb deep Tough spot with QQ - 500bb deep

03-28-2017 , 10:58 AM
Game in Prague, 25-50 local currency (1-2$), I'm with 25k, everyone covers me (35-40k stacks). The game is very aggressive, lot of 3bet and 4bet, everyone try to outplay each other.
UTG opens for 300, I just call UTG+1 with QQ. Additional 4 players call. SB reraises to 3000. UTG thinks for about a minute and calls. Both of them are good players, playing also for higher stakes and very capable making moves. Not many hands go to showdown so not much information about their real hands in these spots.
What do we do here? I called the 300 with pretty good feeling that someone will 3bet for sure and I will 4bet him. However, the UTG call is very suspicious.
If we call the SPR is ~2.2 which is not so good for folding QQ on later streets.
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03-28-2017 , 11:08 AM
Make it 1k get it in if it's an aggro game, otherwise flat and play postflop
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03-28-2017 , 11:08 AM
I think calling and shoving are both reasonable. I probably shove. There's like $7500 in the pot right now. Calling gets pretty messy/ difficult if anyone flats behind us now
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03-28-2017 , 11:57 AM
UTG shouldn't flat the 3-bet with KK or AA. If we call we can see the flop 6 ways - no thanks. Shove.
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03-28-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Joan
Make it 1k get it in if it's an aggro game, otherwise flat and play postflop
Get it in 500bb ??
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03-28-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PopTheCherry
Get it in 500bb ??
yes
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03-28-2017 , 02:18 PM
Shove is suicide. Flat. You're behind a lot here.
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03-28-2017 , 02:50 PM
It depends a lot what your image is in this game. Do you flat a lot of UTG raises with big hands to trap ( QQ is not the best hand to do that with imo) ? If so UTG +1 flat to the squeeze might be the greatest trap ever with AA.
In all seriousness, if you flat the initial raise with QQ pre the hand just becomes a nightmare to play. If you raise now and you get shoved on what do you do? Commit 500bigs pre with QQ or fold essentially turning QQ into a bluff?
For that price you can maybe flat and set mine because because of the pot being quite bloated pre ( especially if everyone ends up flatting which is quite likely) but that's not great. The down size of flatting​ the squeeze would be that you wouldn't know what to do on a 973 type board and with a PSR of about 1:2 you'd probably have to go with it.
So just 3! pre and take it from there.
AP flat... I guess.


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03-28-2017 , 03:04 PM
Hey PopTheCherry,

I am likely moving to Prague in the fall and am wondering how the games are in Prague? Which casino was this hand played? 500bb deep $1/$2 sounds awesome! Is the skill level pretty high compared to the USA?

Cheers!
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03-28-2017 , 03:06 PM
Hey PopTheCherry,

I am likely moving to Prague in the fall and am wondering how the games are in Prague? Which casino was this hand played? 500bb deep $1/$2 sounds awesome! Is the skill level pretty high compared to the USA?

Cheers!
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03-28-2017 , 03:14 PM
It depends a lot to me on what SB's image is in the game. He just 3bet from OOP into an UTG raise and five callers. Pretty darn strong. If he's doing this a lot and UTG will most likely re-raise AA/KK, which he definitely should, gii. If not, just call and bink a Q or try to get a really good read on these guys.
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03-28-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jondo55
Hey PopTheCherry,

I am likely moving to Prague in the fall and am wondering how the games are in Prague? Which casino was this hand played? 500bb deep $1/$2 sounds awesome! Is the skill level pretty high compared to the USA?

Cheers!
I was playing at Ambassador casino, they have action almost 24/7.
They have 10-20 (0.4-0.8$) and 25-50 (1-2$), sometimes 50-100.
The 25-50 have pretty heavy action, it is uncapped game and players buy for 20-30k, sometimes even higher. The level is similar to 2-5$ in Vegas, lot of good local regs and 2-3 tourists at the table
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03-28-2017 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
It depends a lot to me on what SB's image is in the game. He just 3bet from OOP into an UTG raise and five callers. Pretty darn strong. If he's doing this a lot and UTG will most likely re-raise AA/KK, which he definitely should, gii. If not, just call and bink a Q or try to get a really good read on these guys.
I was sticking to my read that SB is weak, the UTG range was capped to 22-JJ, sometimes AQs+. So I pushed all-in 22k into 10k, the SB as expected was weak and folded. However, UTG had AA...
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