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villain...young guy...torrist...very loose....seen him bet $2 into $20 pot with the nuts.....has a Big stack..

Hero been at the table maybe 20 minutes..tight but probably not noticed yet....$200 stack

Hero on co with KTs
4 players limp....don't like to isolate 4 players I limp...btn limps...blinds complete .

flop 8 way 15 ish ...

T77...suits don't matter ...

checks to me, I bet 10, btn calls as does a loose reg in mid positon...

Turn.. 45...

off suit 2...

checks to me...I bet 20...(probably a little low..) btn calls after saying looks like you have a seven...mid folds...

his comments sends alarm bells off...

river...85
K
giving me 2 pair...but all I now beat that I did not beat before is JJ QQ and AT...

still woried about his comment....I checked (think bet fold for 30 or so would be better...) he bets 20...am I good 20% of the time...I call...

As played, EASY call on river.

I bet more on turn to define his range since this is a way ahead/way behind spot. I want to know if I'm behind now instead of guessing on the river.

River is our gin card if we were up against AT or QQ, JJ (although given button limped QQ is almost never, but with no reads who knows at 1/2) so I'm never folding for $20. If he ships or bets decent I think I find a fold, but by betting more on turn I would know if I was behind and the river wouldn't matter unless it was a T.

Submit results about how he had a 7 now...

Agree.

I'm wondering if it's a good b/c spot. Without the speech that's probably how I play it vs. an opponent like this. That tiny bet looks like a 7 though. But can't fold here.

Probably quads or a missed straight draw. They often get here and realize they can't win if they check so they bet smallish like this.

Your going to love it.....he had AA...you got to love 1-2...

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villain...young guy...torrist...very loose....seen him bet $2 into $20 pot with the nuts.....has a Big stack..

How did he play the rest of the hand?

Hero been at the table maybe 20 minutes..tight but probably not noticed yet....$200 stack

Hero on co with KTs
4 players limp....don't like to isolate 4 players I limp...btn limps...blinds complete.

Our hand is ahead of our opponent's limping range if they're the typical type to limp 75% of hands and raise their top 5% of hands. If we raise we'r going to force a lot of Kx, Tx, and possibly lower spades to fold and we're going to isolate hands that dominate us so I also like a limp.

flop 8 way 15 ish ...

T77...suits don't matter ...

checks to me, I bet 10, btn calls as does a loose reg in mid positon...

We're betting here for value against worse Ts, the oesd, and gutshots. I like a small bet here
1. To entice Tx and gutshots (a paired board is like a 3 flush board, even fish w/Tx can see that it is threatening)
2. To play the hand b/f on 2 or 3 streets without building a big pot
3. To lose less when we get raised

Turn.. 45...

off suit 2...

checks to me...I bet 20...(probably a little low..) btn calls after saying looks like you have a seven...mid folds...

Oh gawd the speech. One bad thing about the fact that We have a T is that someone else having a T is just as likely as someone having a 7 since we can see 2 of each card and there are 2 more floating around out there.

Reasons to bet turn:
1. To continue to get value from Tx and sds
2. We don't want to give sds a free card
3. An overcard otr will freeze up the action and it's going to be especially hard to get value from worse

Reasons to check turn:
1. It's hard to get value from Tx knowing he may be facing a big bet otr and we could have a 7 or a bigger kicker
2. If a blank comes off we will be more likely to get value than betting the turn since villain doesn't have to worry about calling another bet
3. People love to slowplay trips so it is more likely someone has a 7, plus we might get a free card if btn checks
4. Btn has shown he will bet tiny super strong so we may get off easy checking and calling a tiny bet. If we check river and he bets bigger we fold since we now have the info that he is strong based on turn bet size and we are no longer getting huge odds on a call
5. We're unlikely to get value from a gutshot since they often give up for the bigger bet ott
6. We don't have to worry about getting bluffed here b/c it's unlikely someone puts in a >1/2 psb with worse

I would have preferred to play the hand for a small bet on 2 or 3 streets with the intention of folding to a raise, but with 2 callers and a pot of $45 I don't think that will be possible. Most important factors here are that it is hard to get value from Tx or a gutshot and we are unlikely to get bluffed giving up initiative. I check

his comments sends alarm bells off...

river...85
K
giving me 2 pair...but all I now beat that I did not beat before is JJ QQ and AT...

still woried about his comment....I checked (think bet fold for 30 or so would be better...) he bets 20...am I good 20% of the time...I call...

I honestly believe AT does not bet here after claiming to be suspicious of a 7. I doubt he limps JJ/QQ. Best case scenario we're chopping. The comment indicates a 7. When someone verbalizes weakness but their betting doesn't match they are very strong

Okay so he was genuine when he said "guess you've got a 7."

I now feel stupid and will no longer try to read live tells over the internet.

his comment leads me to believe he has a straight draw

Stop bumping up your post count with one liner comments. The LLSNL threads are swamped with comments that aren't helpful in the last 6 posts on different threads from IKON THE HOLOGRAM.

At least explain a bit why you think the speech means a straight draw? It usually means strength, sometimes air... but we don't know enough about the V to construct something either way really in this thread.

O, and nice analysis Rusty B. unfortunately it is all wrong. It is so hard to put V's on ranges when they limp AA 8-way!

Thanks Muck, I'm trying. The guy who had the AA has no idea but he completely fooled some dude on the internet named Rusty Bumwaters

VNH, IMHO. Folding to a bigger bet on the river.