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Old 06-14-2012, 12:12 PM   #31
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

I am the best.

There is no better.

The reason why you guys are stuck at $1/$2 with no end in sight is because you don't understand one simple concept of poker:

Winning at Poker is all about postflop play.

Pre-flop only helps to set you up for success at postflop but no matter what happens pre-flop, postflop play is the end all be all of Poker.

Even if you limp 100% of hands, you can still win loads of cash $$$ if your postflop skills are good.
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:36 PM   #32
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

Or you can play short stack and shove pre-flop.

There, I fed the troll.
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:54 PM   #33
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

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I am the best.

There is no better.

The reason why you guys are stuck at $1/$2 with no end in sight is because you don't understand one simple concept of poker:

Winning at Poker is all about postflop play.

Pre-flop only helps to set you up for success at postflop but no matter what happens pre-flop, postflop play is the end all be all of Poker.

Even if you limp 100% of hands, you can still win loads of cash $$$ if your postflop skills are good.
Ok, now I know you are just trolling. I would have played it more conservatively and strung it along a bit - you had a solid base going with some of your initial postings to get people riled up.

2/10 troll attempt IMO - better luck next time
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:15 PM   #34
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

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I am the best.

There is no better.

The reason why you guys are stuck at $1/$2 with no end in sight is because you don't understand one simple concept of poker:

Winning at Poker is all about postflop play.

Pre-flop only helps to set you up for success at postflop but no matter what happens pre-flop, postflop play is the end all be all of Poker.

Even if you limp 100% of hands, you can still win loads of cash $$$ if your postflop skills are good.
Yet you are asking how to play 3 of the top 4 hands in poker. If you are paying off all the time, you are the fish. Post flop and reading board texture keeps you out of these bad spots. Most just look at KK and decide right then they should win this pot. Bad thinking, imo.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:23 PM   #35
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I know how to play poker. I am the best.

The question that I am having problems with is sticky situations where I raised UTG and got 4 callers and the flop is the most perfect dryest flop on the entire planet of earth Q 7 2 rainbow but then I still bust to some donkey moron who played Q 2.

Are you following me here bub?
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:26 PM   #36
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two words of wisdom for ya, bub:

Bet/Fold
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:24 PM   #37
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

OK so this was a level? OK ignore!
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:49 PM   #38
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

lol i was trying to figure out if this was legit or not, not completely sure. if its is legit then OP u need to change your tone up a little bit if you are looking for help. ppl are not going to want to give you advice if you reply with the tone that you have been.

if this is a level, OP not too bad, not too bad at all
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:53 PM   #39
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May I ask why you think this is a good approach?
Sure. I'm going to answer you honestly. Based on what I believe and what has worked well for me as a player.

To clarify, I'm saying "open" for 12, not always raise to 12 regardless of action in front BTW.

I believe that given average game conditions a player should open for the same amount each time they open a pot regardless of the strength of their hand. There are of course some game conditions where you are in a great game and a lot of the table is literally calling everything & gambling it up. In those cases of course it could make sense to open for a larger amount with premium holdings if you know they are calling to maximize your EV. Unfortunately great games even at these "low stakes" nowadays aren't as prevalent and thus I believe my advice would be useful to the OP in a typical 1/2 game.

Maybe it's more relevant in 2/5 & larger(where I also open for the same amount everytime i enter a pot normally) but some players at your table (Even at 1/2) may understand how to assign hand ranges to a potential villain/opener but still don't really pay attention as much as they should so opening consistently it makes it more difficult for them to assign an accurate range. It's not just about how frequently you open. Sizing your bets according to the strength of your hand is completely horrendous. I can't even tell you how many time's i can narrow someone's range to exactly 99-JJ because they open for X in a particular game, then it takes only a couple of orbits to figure out how much they open with AK/AQ. If you get into the habit of sizing your bets based on your holdings you will never be profitable at higher stakes in tougher games IMO. Can you get away with it at a table full of drunks on a Saturday night at 1/2 here there. Ok sure. So raise it up to 24 dollars with QQ. But really, is that good long term advice and the best way to play the game in average table conditions-i don't believe so based on my experience.

On the 12 dollars specifically at 1/2.

In over ten years of playing live poker and various 1/2 games on the east coast I've found that 12 dollars is just enough to thin the field to a reasonable number in your average 1/2 game, but large enough that you are getting value on your holdings and still getting some callers and action. We have an edge post flop and we are okay with them coming along even if they have position on you because let's face it, they aren't calling because they are in position. They are calling because they "want to see the flop", and they know you have raised a bunch of times so you "can't have a good hand everytime". It also sizes pots fairly nicely to allow for proper c-betting relative to the majority of 1/2 NL game buy ins (100-300)

10 dollars or less, whole table calls.
15 dollars is also good but have found it scares more away
20 dollars the whole table folds

12 dollars. 1-3 people will call. I like when people call. I can read hands.

I like playing heads up against one opponent sometimes. Sometimes 2 is fine. 3 can be okay. Depending on what I have right?. But they don't know what I have because i open to 12 dollars everytime. So really I don't care if 1 person calls, or if 3 people call. I always have something which is better than their something, unless i feel like check folding, then-they can have this one. I'll get their 12-36 dollars the next time. And the next time. and many more times after that. Once and awhile they'll get frustrated and they'll call me down light. Then I'll get more than 36 dollars.

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Old 06-14-2012, 09:10 PM   #40
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

$12 is not bad, but often somewhat smaller $8 to $10 has the same effect of your good post, PardoG. Maybe it's just where we play is different. I play in the Indiana river casinos only.
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Old 06-14-2012, 10:50 PM   #41
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$12 is not bad, but often somewhat smaller $8 to $10 has the same effect of your good post, PardoG. Maybe it's just where we play is different. I play in the Indiana river casinos only.
certainly, must depend on your local rooms......point is you understand what i'm trying to create with it.....

too bad if thread was level, hate wasting my time trying to help for no reason but suppose we can all learn from the hypothetical regardless?
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:03 PM   #42
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Re: Tips for playing big pairs UTG @ $1/$2? It always gets me in trouble...

Well, it is 50/50 legit/troll.

But really...when I have pocket AA and the flop comes out Q 7 2 rainbow...

I mean...seriously...why would I ever fold here?

Im going with the hand almost 100% of the time.

But here is where the question exists for you guys...

If you have AA on such a beautiful flop as Q 7 2 rainbow, are you going to slow down just because there are 3 or 4 other players in the pot? I mean...the only hands you really have to worry about are sets and those are hard to hit...so am I a fish for stacking off with AA on a Q 7 2r???
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:32 PM   #43
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Well, it is 50/50 legit/troll.
Thanks for the confession.

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