Blinds: 2/5

Hero: moved to this table about 45 min ago and hasn't played a single hand. Best cards we've seen are A9s and folded to old man open of $30. (Stack ~700)

Villain is a 30 some black guy who fits the stereotype: Loose passive pre flop, limp calling with any pair, weak unsuited aces, and unsuited semi connected cards. He has me covered.

The hand:

Villain limps UTG+2, Hero raises A6 to $20 next to act. BB and villain call.

($67) Flop: 936
BB bets 40, we both call

($187) Turn: 4

Check, check, I bet $90. I'm not sure if I like this now so please give your thoughts, BB folds and villain raises to $225. Now, I'm very skeptical of going off reads alone but the way he bets is, at least with black players I play with at Motorcity in Detroit, is usually a sign of weakness. He's betting fast and splashing the pot. I tank for about 40 seconds and call.

($630ish) River: J
He bets $200

Is it time for a hero call? What would this villain play like this?

Don't you worry much how he may play because he may be a donkey, than what? ..,

At the Turn: this is gonna be your plan for action: OK?

If the river brings a for your flush you are fine with the nuts (9 outs)
If the river bring another 6 you got trips (2 outs)
If the river brings an Ace you got Aces-up (3 outs)
If the river brings: 2 or 5 or 7 (3 of each =9 outs of non representing a srt8

So you got 23 outs to make your hand or to represent a str8 using the phantom outs 2,5 and 7. You either make your hand or plan to bluff steal. Leave some stack behind for the river. Make sure the river bet has significance and make sure villain's not getting committed calling your big bets. Use betting leverage for the end because if you don't have enough stack behind the river where you want to represent a str8 will not work if you bet small what's left all-in. Make sure you got enough money left behind. And, don't do desperation and dry bluffs. Let the board tell your story.

Practice at home with a deck of cards dealing the board to the turn and see how to spot the phantom outs beside your legitimate outs you may have. Do this exercise for an hour or so every day till it becomes the second nature to your brain. After a while you'll make miracles at the tables and peoples will see you as a very lucky player. Do this until someone calls your bluff. wtf? ..., 23 outs represents 1/2 of the deck. Now, see who's got the balls to call you. (LOL) After that you'll be getting lots of action on your legitimate big hands and making even more money.

Pre-flop: I don't think I like the raise from early/middle, but you end up 3-way in position on the flop and I like that. So maybe you did have a super tight image there that worked out but it's still too early to do that IMO. But whatever, it worked out OK, not terrible.

Flop: NFD and second pair, caller in between you and the bettor? Get some money in there!

Turn: I'd just flat call here (tanking for 40 seconds meant thinking about a raise, right? Obv you can't fold NFD here). I dunno what you think weakness could mean here. He's really representing 75 here and your read aside, I'm pretty inclined to believe him. I mean, if weakness means 2p fearing straights and flushes, I'm not sure he's folding to a push anyway. I would just do the stupidly obvious thing here and call.

River: I'm folding pretty quickly. Again, if you have a strong read live, that's your decision, but based on how this hand went down 3rd pair looks pretty bad here.

K9o

Gotta call river but def raise flop. Not sure about turn. I dont think i ever get there because ive already raised the flop to 100.

Ok ive thought about this more and call is best as played ott. I want to jam but v will just call with all 9x. Doubt we get enough folds.

Checking back turn is probably better. Its maybe the only reason to flat the flop in the first place

You have to call river imo

Flop is fine.

Turn bet serves no purpose. Check.

As played if you think he's weak then jam over on the turn.

As played fold river.

yeah, control the hand and check the turn. River seems close but it isn't, just fold. Think about all the problems with the hand you actually have when trying to come up with hands you beat.

Yeah I think I like a raise on the flop and firing on every turn except non diamond 5s and 10s. I'd probably just scoop there instead of getting to the spot I did.

I do like a jam on the turn but called because I thought he was bluffing and would shut down on the river.

Check turn is better cause you got showdown value with the 6. In general, i would probably check back all pair+flush draw and ace high flush draw and bet all weaker flush draws

I just don't see him checking the turn after the flop bettor checks. If he did have 75 not diamonds then it really looks like BB has a 9 and I have a FD which could easily check through.

Raise flop is good against a lot of players. I don't see much reason to bet the turn though. River is an easy fold.

Not sure what games you play, but bet then c/r is a sign of strength in my book. Plus there aren't really many more draws coming into play when he does it.

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I would agree if he was before the flop bettor but he checked after the BB

Anyways, I tanked for close to 2 minutes which is an eternity for me and then called. He angrily flips over 78o and gives an audible "what the ****" when I flip over 1 pair. The dealer, who is not a normal poker dealer due to the shortage of dealers because of the $600k quads over quads BBJ, almost mucked my hand thinking he had a straight but looked twice and realized 6s was the best hand.

Yeah this hand is actually stronger than a typical "3rd pair". Only 9x beats you and he shouldnt have too much

Cant fold river as played.

Nh

Well, sometimes we correctly fold the best hand to good bluffs. I think this was a good bluff. He x/r semi-bluffed 87 representing 75 and given the read and typical 2/5 player, that's an unexpected move.

I don't expect 9x here very often, but why not 64, 43, or 44?

But I'm just commenting more based on the betting patterns obv. OP did say up front he read the turn x/r as weak. Nice read, nice hand!

Kinda doesnt matter what he has here. Its not easy for him to have anything and he isnt repping anyrhing that beats us.

We can call the turn after the bet without caring what villain has. The river, we are priced in and should never give him credit for Jx. The only hand that beats us is 9x at river. 9x has a hard time playing this way pre, otf and ott. The only hand i can think of is K9. We block A9 and he can have my money if he is playing Q9 this way.

Also, the bb played the flop and might have had 9x so v is not making sense

Its a snap call otr. Its an interesting way to.play the hand. High variance. Very profitable. I usually go for low variance/mildly profitable but we cant say that this way is necessarily wrong

We need 20% equity to call. I'm having trouble finding value hands for villain - 75s? 44? I'd expect him to check raise sets on the flop most of the time (and probably bet bigger on river too).

Villain just has too few value hands for me to fold, this could be a worse flush draw.

That's the only thing I could put him on, but that's hard have 2 diamonds myself.