1/3 live.

Main villain has been playing pretty stationy and aggresive since I sat down but have only been here 30 min. He's a 30-40 year old white male.

Hero is the effective stack with 400

4 limps including villain on the button. Hero makes it 20 from the SB with JhJd. Two limpers call.

Flop: 5c6c9s.

Pot:65.

Hero bets 40 and villain calls.

Pot: 145

Turn Qh.

Hero bets 80 villain calls. I feel pretty sure I'm ahead based on my read of him and the queen doesn't change much. Most of his flop calling range doesn't have a queen and most of his strong value would have raised flop.

Pot: 305

River: 4c.

Hero checks, villain bets 55

I basically never win here given that this completes straights, flushes, and some two pairs but I only need to be right like 14 percent of the time. I also don't feel villain would bet a flush like this so it narrows his range a bit. Think this is a pair turning it's hand into a bluff rarely and mostly hands like 9-4, 5-4, 6-4, or 2-3

Very expensive line on this board. Call and show your hand down now AP.

With QX or better I would pay this off given those odds just to keep an aggressive opponent from throwing in small bluffs and blocking bets on every river. With JJ I'm indifferent to what you do.

If you do fold and feel like saying anything claim you had AKo and couldn't call any bet on the river.

Bring on the flaming obviously, but I think I might just sometimes see a flop here preflop. As far as I can tell, we're deep and with a difficult player on the Button, so not an ideal spot to betray our hand strength / build a bloated pot OOP with a hand that hates a lotta flops / etc. It's not my default play with JJ in the SB, but I think it's ok alternative in *this* situation. We underrep our hand and can setup bluff catchy money postflop (or even just quietly check/fold poor flops).

Do we have a plan if Villain raises flop? SPR is under 6; if we're raised on the flop, we're basically playing for stacks. Doesn't sound like we'd be comfortable bet/folding to this guy, but it also doesn't sound like we'd want to get in 1.3 BIs with one pair having gotten in just 5% of our stack preflop. So with this aggro guy on the Button, I think I might lean towards a check/call.

By the turn, the pot sure is getting massive, and stacks can easily go in by the river. We only have one pair.

Gross river spot. Would he ever bet a 9x for value given our hand should be so face up? An aggro guy is never overlimping the Button with TT. Not too many draws busted (and even some of those have weak one pair showdown checkback value). But we're also getting such a good price against an aggro player. And the sizing looks to be begging for a call, not a fold. I probably fold.

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the turn is a disaster.

bet 150 on the turn and take it down. We have a marginally weak hand against a coordinated flop, so we can't price V in for making his hand on the river.

as played, sigh call. that is a great value bet by V on the river, and against an unknown, I am going to pay that off simply for metagame strat against the rest of the table versus making ridiculous laydown.

$30 pf is a better choice with this hand and 4 limpers. AP, at 6:1 I'll call pretty much anything, including this.

I don't think he has that much Qx after limping pre and calling flop. Why do you think it's that bad?

On this board I would evalauate his sizing and demeanor but might play for stacks, I'm not sure, probably not.

I did fold an overpair to him a few hands later in a similar spot.

I made it 20 pre with QQ from the BB. Two call. Flop 662 two spades. I bet 35 he calls. Turn offsuit 9. I bet 50 he ships for 225-250 total. I fold. He showed he had a 6

I'm kinda getting coolered to start today but at least I got that hand right.

As for the hand from the OP I called and he showed 45o for rivered two pair.

The 6:1 doesn't matter when obviously villain wants you to call OTR, unless he's an donkey. For sure he doesn't bet so small because he's got a weak hand. He want you to call and you cannot possibly hope your JJ are good here. I don't even understand why didn't you took the pot down OTF? Who stopped you to blow him away OTF? - Why prolong the agony?

I also wouldn't flame you gobbled for thinking limping isn't insane at certain tables. I know I'm not an amazing player and some of those pairs are hard to play OOP. I do think jacks are just in the edge of being too strong to limp though. There are just so many hands where villain limped two under cards. Even though the hand didn't end well, I got villain to put a ton of money with 45o and as a huge underdog going into the river.

I'm not sure how profitably I could play two 8's or two 9's though OOP vs two players one of which is aggressive. If he's playing 45o which I didn't know at the time that would help though.

Yeah, it's tough. In this case, being results oriented, we did well by getting in our money well on all 3 streets before the river. But sometimes he's slowplaying a monster and we're spewing money, and other times he blows us off the best hand on the turn by raising a good draw, and so on, etc. Overall, I still pretty much play by "small hand, small pot; big hand, big pot", and one pair is small hand *if* we don't feel committed. But sometimes (for example) we check the turn in a spot like this and he catches a 5 outer and we feel like an idiot; we just have to realize that is part of the deal sometimes and not necessarily a mistake in the grand scheme of things.

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I felt a smaller sizing on the flop made some sense since it was a decent flop for their ranges and I don't want to play a massive pot OOP but I guess maybe a larger sizing discourages calls so I won't have to play OOP. I don't want to bet a size though where I'm only getting called by better.

I agree with you for the most part on the river which is why I'm not convinced my call was correct even getting that absurd price.

He could be trapping a monster but on a board this wet I think the population tendency would be to fast play. I felt pretty good about knowing where I was at and that the queen is rarely bad for me.

That being said he did just call flop with trip 6's on 662 two spades but that texture does have fewer action killers than 569 two tone where 7,8, and even a 4 are action killers.

You are definitely right about the risk of getting blown off the hand given that I folded QQ on the 662-9 hand and I'm sure he's bluffing there sometimes.

I think it's pretty tempting to shove River when V bets that small, but you probably aren't raising wide enough from sb to credibly rep a flush.

He doesn't know me and I am a mid 20's guy so maybe I could rep it but I didn't have a ton behind at that point. Plus he's a pretty station seeming guy. The thought did cross my mind. Decided it was too spewy.

I'm never folding here to that 50 dollar bet on the river.. Call and expect to be beat.

I agree V doesn't have many Qs in his hand but sometimes he does and you have to account for that. I would've went into check call mode after the turn. After he limps and calls your raise his range could literally be any two cards. I'm guessing mostly flush draws or one pair gut shot straight type hands like 98,87,76. Your flop and turn bet sizing is leading up to a river jam, was that your intention on non clubs? You should narrow down your villains range as you play the hand more than trying to get a "read"

Overall I think the hand is fine but I feel like I'm ahead and he shouldn't have a queen isn't a good enough reason to bet which is why you put yourself in a tough position on the river. When he checks back the turn you can expect to be ahead 95% of the time the other 5% is when he has QXcc in his hand and decided to be tricky and check back.

well not only did I think I was ahead, but I thought I could get called by hands I was ahead of like a flopped pair, a flush draw, or sometimes a straight draw.

Yes but the safer option would've been to check turn if you are worried about the club on the river. I've been in this spot many times, believe me when I say Villian will help you by betting his flush draws and his one pair straight draw type hands some of the time, while at the same time disguising your hand. If he does decide to check back then you're good most of the time and pot control. I don't think you are making too much of a mistake by betting but check call is the better play.

Did you call?

Yea, lost to 45 for rivered two pair.

I think that makes a lot of sense actually. So curious about your thoughts on a hand I played an orbit later vs the same villain.

Same action as the JJ hand but I had QsQc on a 662 two spade board. Turn was an offsuit 9 and I opted to bet but would you check there?

Since you have the over pair I think bet is fine. good luck my friend

Plan on a brick was to check and most likely call. This was a hand where I would want two streets of value and thought those streets were flop and turn as opposed to flop and river given the texture.

Plan on a brick was to check and most likely call. This was a hand where I would want two streets of value and thought those streets were flop and turn as opposed to flop and river given the texture and the vulnerability of my hand.