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06-21-2012, 08:02 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Starting hands in UTG (Reader beware)
I'm pretty much never open folding AJ/88-99/KQ in a cash game... In any position.
The only one that's close is AJo UTG... And even then not really
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06-21-2012, 08:16 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
Id like my UTG range to be JJ/QQ/KK/AA AK
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06-21-2012, 09:04 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by masaraksh
I'm pretty much never open folding AJ/88-99/KQ in a cash game... In any position.
The only one that's close is AJo UTG... And even then not really
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Sounds like a winning strategy. Preflop play is irrelevant when first in. Board texture should determine how you play a hand postflop. AJ,KJ,KQ and 88+ should always be played in ep nobody should argue that.
By now most of you should know what you shouldn't play from ep, mp and the blinds.
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06-21-2012, 09:07 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhcg86
Id like my UTG range to be JJ/QQ/KK/AA AK
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The majority of our opponents are weak players. No fundamentals, only play their own 2 cards and just plain level 0/1 type players. In llsnl games you should be playing weaker hands. You are missing money if you don't open AQ, AJ, KJ and KQ.
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06-21-2012, 09:12 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
In a typical weak LLSNL game it's absurd to not play all pocket pairs up front.
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06-21-2012, 09:33 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
I actually agree with Pokah...do you see the crap people are calling you with?
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06-21-2012, 09:46 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
In a typical weak LLSNL game it's absurd to not play all pocket pairs up front.
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How are you playing 22-66 postflop? Is it no set no bet or cbet give up? I would rather have K10s or Q10s then have those small pairs and I don't play those in ep. 77 is pretty much borderline of my pocket pairs. I want hands that make tp, nut straight draws, flush draws and disguised gutters/bd flush draws. All which I can double barrel to get the equity I need if my cbet doesn't work.
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06-21-2012, 09:51 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
in a typical game that goes limp limp limp limp limp limp, you don't think you can just set mine any pair pre from any position?
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06-21-2012, 09:51 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
In a typical weak LLSNL game it's absurd to not play all pocket pairs up front.
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disagree, and lol
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06-21-2012, 09:55 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
If you can't play low pps profitably in a LLSNL, get up from that game.
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06-21-2012, 09:55 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
The probability of no overcard on the flop for 77 is ~8%, which is something we can make up with adequate post-flop skill.
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06-21-2012, 09:57 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
disagree, and lol
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Why do you always post the most oblivious response and never explain any of it?
Do you feel like you're actually contributing when you post?
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06-21-2012, 10:01 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
what do you think helps people the most on 2p2?
Long winded responses that give the answer away, or short ones that encourage critical thinking? I should do more to encourage the critical thinking; youre correct that many of my posts arent THAT helpful. But they usually provide the right answer, which is key. Besides the fact that most questions here have already been answered a million times and OPs are generally lazy and too dumb to figure it out on their own
you shouldnt play small PPs UTG unless youre really deep, which isnt the case in most LLSNL games, and the games where you are really deep, youre usually playing 500NL+, in which case you should have a very tight UTG opening range.
Telling people on a poker strategy forum that they should open all PPs UTG is not only wrong, its clearly unethical
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06-21-2012, 10:02 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
in a typical game that goes limp limp limp limp limp limp, you don't think you can just set mine any pair pre from any position?
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Don't open limp, don't set mine and take limping out of your game unless you're on the button or sb. Button: easy game you have absolute position you can steal unwanted pots and have options to see the next card. Sb: now that gets tricky, you need to be aware of how your opponents are playing in limp pots. If players are fit or fold which most llsnl players are, you can blow them off with leads and double's. Board texture is key though. So if your postflop skills are below par I wouldn't suggest it. Just stick to only limping the button.
Good players don't set mine, I have yet to hear any good player that said they called to hit a set. If they do I lose respect for their games and the become semi good,lol.
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06-21-2012, 10:04 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ***Official "It Lives, It Lives" Chat Thread***
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Originally Posted by PokahAllday
Don't open limp, don't set mine and take limping out of your game unless you're on the button or sb. Button: easy game you have absolute position you can steal unwanted pots and have options to see the next card. Sb: now that gets tricky, you need to be aware of how your opponents are playing in limp pots. If players are fit or fold which most llsnl players are, you can blow them off with leads and double's. Board texture is key though. So if your postflop skills are below par I wouldn't suggest it. Just stick to only limping the button.
Good players don't set mine, I have yet to hear any good player that said they called to hit a set. If they do I lose respect for their games and the become semi good,lol.
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I agree with everything here BUT the limping on btn; thats dumb
These are the kind of quality posts Pokah makes that I really respect
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