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06-21-2012 , 08:02 PM
I'm pretty much never open folding AJ/88-99/KQ in a cash game... In any position.

The only one that's close is AJo UTG... And even then not really
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06-21-2012 , 08:16 PM
Id like my UTG range to be JJ/QQ/KK/AA AK
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06-21-2012 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
I'm pretty much never open folding AJ/88-99/KQ in a cash game... In any position.

The only one that's close is AJo UTG... And even then not really
Sounds like a winning strategy. Preflop play is irrelevant when first in. Board texture should determine how you play a hand postflop. AJ,KJ,KQ and 88+ should always be played in ep nobody should argue that.

By now most of you should know what you shouldn't play from ep, mp and the blinds.
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06-21-2012 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
Id like my UTG range to be JJ/QQ/KK/AA AK
The majority of our opponents are weak players. No fundamentals, only play their own 2 cards and just plain level 0/1 type players. In llsnl games you should be playing weaker hands. You are missing money if you don't open AQ, AJ, KJ and KQ.
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06-21-2012 , 09:12 PM
In a typical weak LLSNL game it's absurd to not play all pocket pairs up front.
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06-21-2012 , 09:33 PM
I actually agree with Pokah...do you see the crap people are calling you with?
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06-21-2012 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
In a typical weak LLSNL game it's absurd to not play all pocket pairs up front.
How are you playing 22-66 postflop? Is it no set no bet or cbet give up? I would rather have K10s or Q10s then have those small pairs and I don't play those in ep. 77 is pretty much borderline of my pocket pairs. I want hands that make tp, nut straight draws, flush draws and disguised gutters/bd flush draws. All which I can double barrel to get the equity I need if my cbet doesn't work.
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06-21-2012 , 09:51 PM
in a typical game that goes limp limp limp limp limp limp, you don't think you can just set mine any pair pre from any position?
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06-21-2012 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
In a typical weak LLSNL game it's absurd to not play all pocket pairs up front.
disagree, and lol
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06-21-2012 , 09:55 PM
If you can't play low pps profitably in a LLSNL, get up from that game.
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06-21-2012 , 09:55 PM
The probability of no overcard on the flop for 77 is ~8%, which is something we can make up with adequate post-flop skill.
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06-21-2012 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
disagree, and lol
Why do you always post the most oblivious response and never explain any of it?

Do you feel like you're actually contributing when you post?
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06-21-2012 , 10:01 PM
what do you think helps people the most on 2p2?

Long winded responses that give the answer away, or short ones that encourage critical thinking? I should do more to encourage the critical thinking; youre correct that many of my posts arent THAT helpful. But they usually provide the right answer, which is key. Besides the fact that most questions here have already been answered a million times and OPs are generally lazy and too dumb to figure it out on their own

you shouldnt play small PPs UTG unless youre really deep, which isnt the case in most LLSNL games, and the games where you are really deep, youre usually playing 500NL+, in which case you should have a very tight UTG opening range.

Telling people on a poker strategy forum that they should open all PPs UTG is not only wrong, its clearly unethical
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06-21-2012 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
in a typical game that goes limp limp limp limp limp limp, you don't think you can just set mine any pair pre from any position?
Don't open limp, don't set mine and take limping out of your game unless you're on the button or sb. Button: easy game you have absolute position you can steal unwanted pots and have options to see the next card. Sb: now that gets tricky, you need to be aware of how your opponents are playing in limp pots. If players are fit or fold which most llsnl players are, you can blow them off with leads and double's. Board texture is key though. So if your postflop skills are below par I wouldn't suggest it. Just stick to only limping the button.

Good players don't set mine, I have yet to hear any good player that said they called to hit a set. If they do I lose respect for their games and the become semi good,lol.
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06-21-2012 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahAllday
Don't open limp, don't set mine and take limping out of your game unless you're on the button or sb. Button: easy game you have absolute position you can steal unwanted pots and have options to see the next card. Sb: now that gets tricky, you need to be aware of how your opponents are playing in limp pots. If players are fit or fold which most llsnl players are, you can blow them off with leads and double's. Board texture is key though. So if your postflop skills are below par I wouldn't suggest it. Just stick to only limping the button.

Good players don't set mine, I have yet to hear any good player that said they called to hit a set. If they do I lose respect for their games and the become semi good,lol.
I agree with everything here BUT the limping on btn; thats dumb

These are the kind of quality posts Pokah makes that I really respect
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06-21-2012 , 10:06 PM
For UTG range:
- since where I play stacks are generally 150BB+ and usually way more I open all PPs... Simply cuz sets are so powerful and I feel comfortable post flop with them.
- I will always fold KTo/KJo UTG at full table (those just play terrible OOP and you can easily value own yourself or end up mucking the winner). Same for QJo (too hard OOP at full table)
- KTs/KJs usually muck as well. QJs often an open for me (unless there are lots of tough regs at the table)
- ATo/ATs fold, AJo is close, but AJs I will almost always open
- AQ+ ... Open AINEC
- if there are players who actively 3bet in position we could tighten up even more... But I just 4bet more, it works.


Tonights session: (GRRRR -5k)
- QQ<33 on 348... -1k
- JJ < KKd on Jxxddd... (3b pot) -2.7k

Tilted like a monkey for an hour cuz some German guy was giving me tons of shyt after I lost the 2.7k in one pot... Something about "no diamond... What you thinking kid!?" ... Usually I can keep it together, but we were 6 handed so I started opening too much and got a bit punished for it by one of the regs.



As for the set-mining comment... WTF???

Purely Set mining is def profitable against the right players
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06-21-2012 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahAllday
How are you playing 22-66 postflop? Is it no set no bet or cbet give up? I would rather have K10s or Q10s then have those small pairs and I don't play those in ep. 77 is pretty much borderline of my pocket pairs. I want hands that make tp, nut straight draws, flush draws and disguised gutters/bd flush draws. All which I can double barrel to get the equity I need if my cbet doesn't work.
Depends on board texture, how many callers and etc.
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06-21-2012 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
what do you think helps people the most on 2p2?

Long winded responses that give the answer away, or short ones that encourage critical thinking? I should do more to encourage the critical thinking; youre correct that many of my posts arent THAT helpful. But they usually provide the right answer, which is key. Besides the fact that most questions here have already been answered a million times and OPs are generally lazy and too dumb to figure it out on their own

you shouldnt play small PPs UTG unless youre really deep, which isnt the case in most LLSNL games, and the games where you are really deep, youre usually playing 500NL+, in which case you should have a very tight UTG opening range.

Telling people on a poker strategy forum that they should open all PPs UTG is not only wrong, its clearly unethical
Rofl unethical. Get a ****ing clue.
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06-21-2012 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
I agree with everything here BUT the limping on btn; thats dumb

These are the kind of quality posts Pokah makes that I really respect
When I say limp the button I'm talking about hands that are crap. When 3 or more players are in. Basically crap like 22-44, 65o-109o,K2s-K8s, A2o-A5o, A2s-A5s etc...
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06-21-2012 , 10:13 PM
I wish we could track live hands; Id love to see how much money people win or lose flopping small sets in EP

like a set is awesome but once someone haz bigger set...thats not even mentioning the times u put money in preflop and whiff the flopt
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06-21-2012 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
what do you think helps people the most on 2p2?

Long winded responses that give the answer away, or short ones that encourage critical thinking?


Is that what you think of your responses?

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Originally Posted by dhcg86
I should do more to encourage the critical thinking; youre correct that many of my posts arent THAT helpful. But they usually provide the right answer, which is key.
LOL. Anyone can blurt out a random response to ANY question and follow it up with some sort of logical reasoning to support it, but it provides absolutely zero value.

You are truly something else.
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06-21-2012 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Rofl unethical. Get a ****ing clue.
you have 52k posts, and Im sure people see that and are like, "that guy, he must be good"

I know I did

for you to post obv bad strat is unethical
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06-21-2012 , 10:16 PM
It amazes me that you think that you need to flip a set to win with hands like 22-66. You can often even extract value from those hands post flop or catch bluffs from semi-maniacal aggro players.
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06-21-2012 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime


Is that what you think of your responses?



LOL. Anyone can blurt out a random response to ANY question and follow it up with some sort of logical reasoning to support it, but it provides absolutely zero value.

You are truly something else.
cool story bro, tell it again. you have like 8 posts; feel free to tell me all about how you contribute to the community
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06-21-2012 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
It amazes me that you think that you need to flip a set to win with hands like 22-66. You can often even extract value from those hands post flop or catch bluffs from semi-maniacal aggro players.
I dont think you need to, but I certainly wouldnt be playing them UTG with hopes of anything besides set mining
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