Hero had been taking down a lot of pots without showing. Two aggressive asian Vs to his right who have been calling a lot of raises. stack size 500

V1 aggressive asian dude 1, stack is 500
V2 number 2, Stack is 370

Hero is dealt KQ UTG raises to 15,

folds around to V1 and V2 in the CO and Button, both call

Flop K84 Pot~45

Hero leads for 30, both call.

Turn 2 Pot~135

hero leads for 125 V1 folds V2 insta calls.

Now this card doesnt scare me so i go for a near pot size bet to push out draws. The way V2 called quickly, cutting his checks out across the line as he calls smells like a flush draw. I mean he seems frustrated that i keep barreling, like hes going to take a stand, but maybe im just seeing that. Either way its a huge bet to call with just the draw leading me to believe he has a K or maybe even two pair or a set, i just dont know and hence why i am posting.

River 9 Pot~385

Hero? What do i do here!? Any bet commits me. I know hes throwing it all in if i check. whether he hits or not hes throwing the rest in 90 percent.

I do not know what to do here. i fired three bullets and i have a decent hand. Shoving leaves me with 100 and i could just be setting it on fire. Suggestions on changes i need to make in this spot?

btw, i checked he went all in and i eventually folded. I couldnt get a read and i just couldnt call with one pair after he called the river. But i want to see what people here think of these spots?

push the last 200 in

V calling a lot of raises = wide range = youre getting value from Kx a lot of time he has KJ here or a busted spade draw, think he's raising a set ott after your psb

an aggro V IP is prob 3betting pre with AK, so i feel comfortable putting him all in

Tough but You gotta call the shove. Played every street correct except river

Thats the worse part. my turn bet was a direct product of two plus two. Stop making pussy bets on the turn. So normally id prob bet between 50 and 75. This time i was like naw, get at it. Then when he called i was like, Holy ish... I started over thinking as soon as he called.

Read the stickys:

From what I learned from the thread was you are lacking some clear understanding of concepts.

Some great places to start are:

Best of LLSNL>Random>4. Live Hand Template

Concepts woul be the next, bet sizing is a good one.

Your description of villains lack a lot of detail, try to be more descriptive. The lack of description tells me a few things.

-Lazy

-Too small sample and reads are meaningless

-Problem with memory

To fix the memory problem I suggest going to the stickys again

Best of LLSNL>Random>9. Something to help improve your memory

On to the hand itself:

Flop bet, I think you can bet more given villain is deeper and he tends to call raises, lets extract max value from this wide range.

OTT:

When they both flat flop I put them on TPGK, weak flush draws, gut shots, and rare sets.

I am all for betting again for value here but your size is way too large (allowing villains to play semi-perfect without specific reads), I go for a bit over 1/2 pot, trying to push max value from weaker hands. ($75-80)

Your biggest mistake is trying to push draws out(refer to "Best of LLsNL" sticky). If you are playing poker to make money, this is your bread and butter, charge the draws.l vs weaker opponents, not price them out by overbetting.

As played OTR:

If your read is accurate, jam. I do not.believe your read for one second fwiw.
That is because the lack of prehand descriptions, I fear you are beings results oriented.

If this read was not accurate, it is a check/fold vs unknowns.

If you put him on a fd (which is a fair assumption iyam to an overcall, call line), check and hope he goes all in.

This is really obvious. Don't get how people are saying otherwise.

check to induce a spazz/bluff, and snap call.

Check to induce the bluff. If you bet he'll fold all of his missed draws.

my description could have been more in depth. i dont have a problem with memory at all. ive read the threat you speak of. However i appreciate what you had to say.

As far as the turn bet, i know what you mean by charging draws not overbetting. i use to not get it, i do now and i agree. But what about when there are two villains? I bet more bc there are two of them. And i also do not think it was MUCH of an overbet. But i hear ya

what % of the time do you guys think he has Kx here and what % busted spade draw (ie, which one do you think he shows up with more)?

if spade draw is more often, then check, if Kx, then shove, right?

You must call river! His shove is never a weak 2 pair or 1 pair hand because villains dont bet that size with solid medium strength hands. Dont fold BC of ur hand strength. hes friggin polarized, with more weight to bluffs since sets are hard to make and he raises them earlier In hand alot.

Based on shove, its never ever kx,, and its busted draw or top2p+ the other times.

i meant before any action otr what are we ranging him on (whats more likely, or are they both equally as likely?)

ap its a call

This guys range is so damn narrow after the turn, I cant simply see him showing up with a K other than AK, which is highly unlikely.

His range is capped at a strong draw or sets, possibly a naked flush draw (rare).

I did give terrible river advice, check/call his bluffs, but expect to see more made hands vs non.

you cant think on a street by street basis, and make consistantly good/ better decisions. If your betting pot on the turn, what are you trying to accomplish? what is the plan for the hand?
you said 'push out' draws, but this is incorrect thinking. you want to bet enough to extract value from them, while forcing them to make a mathematical error, when they do continue, or an error of leaving dead $ in the pot, when they don't. If youre not paying off an obv draw OTR, like a FD, then its not even close to profitable for him to call a 3/4 pot bet.
youre betting enough to cross the commitment threshhold by a mile, so its pretty much a no brainer to just continue to barrel AI. You may value town yourself a certain % of the time, but all the times that you are crushing his pair/ bluff catcher/ draw, are going to outweigh that pretty significantly in the longrun, so youre giving up too much value when youre pot controlling in a spot where you can be getting max value the good majority of the time, and you have a good stack size for it, considering V profiles, and board/ action.

if you wanted to pot control, for w/e reason, then checking turn, v-betting river is a line, and you can 'de-leverage' the pot this way; ie. get value from a weakish hand on the river, that would fold the turn, cuz they know the exact price of showdown. (medium pps)

if youre not comfortable barrelling AI when you hit your hand vs. these villians, then dont raise KQ UTG

Sets least after 2 flats, Kx less and spades and 4xss the most imo

I think 56 even more

i dont see him having any made hands except maybe 2pr (K8 K9, weighted toward K9) because i think he is raising/shoving all his sets ott after hero makes a psb

This is why i post. sometimes something is said and it clicks. youre right. if you cant barrel with this hand then dont play it to start. I agree.

And lets be honest i know youre supposed to charge, not push out. i know this. i used to not know this but i know. I spazzed, plain and simple i wanted the flush draw out and bc of this spaz i panicked when it got called and got all scared on the river. Ill think better next time

Why do you open so big PF?

I think you played fine otherwise. On river I check hoping he shoves.