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Old 06-04-2012, 10:21 AM   #1
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Some hands from 1/2

Hi LLSNL community!

I'm looking for an opinion about two hands I played yesterday.

Hand 1:
Villian 1 (MP): Fishy reg, plays mostly MTTs online, has decent results on Stars but a losing player live. Plays way too many hands, never folds to 3bets and makes ridicolous bluffs postflop. Played with him a lot he views me as "too tight".

Villian 2 (SB): Good reg, tight and aggressive. He's solid winner at this limit. No history with him, we play at same venues but somehow we rarely end up at same table.

Hero (BTN) is dealt QQ with stack ~ 500. Villians cover.

2 limpers,
V1 who raises to 20 (standard raise at that table as people were calling light preflop),
Hero 3bets to 60 on the button,
V2 4bets to 150, limpers fold and one of them accidentally exposes his cards (Q9o),
V1 folds,
Hero?

Hand 2:
V1 (MP) (330): Same villian as V1 from first hand.
V2 (MP+1) (550): Old loose passive guy. Calls very loose but he made some big hands and tripled his initial buyin.
V3 (SB) (310): Megafish calling station. Plays every hand and stacks off very light, has stated earlier that "he didn't come here to fold".
V4 (BB) (620): Reg but too loose preflop and with some fishy tendencies.
V5 (UTG+1) (300): Unknown guy, just sit few hands ago.
Hero (CO) (400) with 45

UTG straddles 4,
V5 straddles 8,
V1 straddles 16,
V2 calls 16,
Hero calls 16,
SB calls 16,
BB calls 16,
V5 calls 16,
V1 checks his option

Flop (100): T86
V5 checks,
V1 bets 40,
V2 raises to 80,
Hero?
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:42 AM   #2
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Re: Some hands from 1/2

Hand 1: Assign a range and then make your decision based on how well your hand plays against his range. He's a solid tight player, he knows your a solid tight player so he likely knows you have a hand in this spot. So is he 4-betting you preflop with TT, JJ? no. His range is AA, KK, or AK, (he cant have QQ cuz someone folded a Q). Do you think he would 4-bet oop with 500 stacks with AK? Have you seen him do this before? I would weigh his range heavily on AA or KK here. QQ don't do very well against AA or KK. Fold.

Hand 2: Fold Pre.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:58 AM   #3
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Re: Some hands from 1/2

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Hi LLSNL community!

I'm looking for an opinion about two hands I played yesterday.

Hand 1:
Villian 1 (MP): Fishy reg, plays mostly MTTs online, has decent results on Stars but a losing player live. Plays way too many hands, never folds to 3bets and makes ridicolous bluffs postflop. Played with him a lot he views me as "too tight".

Villian 2 (SB): Good reg, tight and aggressive. He's solid winner at this limit. No history with him, we play at same venues but somehow we rarely end up at same table.

Hero (BTN) is dealt QQ with stack ~ 500. Villians cover.

2 limpers,
V1 who raises to 20 (standard raise at that table as people were calling light preflop),
Hero 3bets to 60 on the button,
V2 4bets to 150, limpers fold and one of them accidentally exposes his cards (Q9o),
V1 folds,
Hero?

Hand 2:
V1 (MP) (330): Same villian as V1 from first hand.
V2 (MP+1) (550): Old loose passive guy. Calls very loose but he made some big hands and tripled his initial buyin.
V3 (SB) (310): Megafish calling station. Plays every hand and stacks off very light, has stated earlier that "he didn't come here to fold".
V4 (BB) (620): Reg but too loose preflop and with some fishy tendencies.
V5 (UTG+1) (300): Unknown guy, just sit few hands ago.
Hero (CO) (400) with 45

UTG straddles 4,
V5 straddles 8,
V1 straddles 16,
V2 calls 16,
Hero calls 16,
SB calls 16,
BB calls 16,
V5 calls 16,
V1 checks his option

Flop (100): T86
V5 checks,
V1 bets 40,
V2 raises to 80,
Hero?
Hand1 you say the V is solid and he 4 bets you. I have my doubts that he is doing that with anything you beat. Best case scenario is to hope that he has AK (which I doubt) and hold on. I doubt your hand is any good here.

Hand 2 - sure the chips look pretty, but no thanks.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:56 AM   #4
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Re: Some hands from 1/2

For me, in the games i play...

Hand 1: Clear instafold even w/o the exposed queen. I never see people play AK this way in a live 1-2 game and he's definitely playing for stacks with that RR. A 4-bet is always KK-AA in the games i'm in, unless it went like $5 -- $10 -- $25. That could possibly be JJ-AA.

Hand 2: I fold. I probably have strong urges that i have to suppress (i have a gutshot and flush draw they all have K-10/Q-10 allin wheeeee!) but really i have a gutshot to the worst straight possible, and if my spade hits i can beat 3-2s. There's 3 people behind me and the guy who originally bet may RR so calling isn't really an option.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:58 PM   #5
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Re: Some hands from 1/2

Hand 1 --> I know the instinct is to want to think: "V2 knows I could be three betting V1 somewhat lighter than usual. Therefore, v2 could be four betting lighter than usual. QQ is a strong hand." However, I just feel there are better spots than 5bet shoving all-in with QQ here or calling and calling flop. A big factor also is that you can't be certain that V2 views V1 the same way you do. He also may view you differently then we perceive. If he thinks both of you are tight and solid, than, it is even tougher to rationalize a wide cold four betting range for him.

Hand 2 --> I fold pre-flop. It didn't happen in your hand, but, it's my experience in my games, when there is crazy preflop action like this, one of the straddlers usually jams it in or makes a re-raise. I think you are lighting $16 on fire way to often, as you can't really ever call a reraise. With the described table, you can pick a better spot. As played, you could probably run some math, assign some ranges to your opponents, estimate some fold-equity, figure out some pot odds, and figure out if you should shove or fold. It seems like too much work for another poster to range this hand out for you and do all the grunt work. Throw that stuff up in your original post or if you estimate some ranges for your opponents, other posters will help you work through the hand and tell you if you should shove or fold.
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:01 PM   #6
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Re: Some hands from 1/2

hand 1: fold, you're beat way to often here to justify a call.
hand 2: fold pre, as played fold on flop, you can find a better spot. You still have the original raiser to act behind you.
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