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Misplayed AKo at Turn? Misplayed AKo at Turn?

07-26-2018 , 05:20 PM
1/2, Effective ~350

UTG limp, limpx2, Btn (TAG-ish MAWG) raise to 15, SB call, Hero at BB 3bet to 65 with AhKc, Btn call, SB fold.

Flop (~150): KhTs7h
H bet 50, V call (~250 behind)

Turn (250): 7c
H bet 150, V tank fold

I think this turn bet is a mistake: Hero holds Ah so blocks almost all possible FD in V’s range. V’s most like hands are QQ-99 or KQs. With Kx V will bet anyway, with mid pairs V will at most call a small bet at either Turn or River. Here Hero should check and induce a bluff from smaller pairs. If no bluff, betting river will get called much more likely.

Any thoughts or how you would play differently are appreciated!

Last edited by ybyangben; 07-26-2018 at 05:32 PM.
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07-26-2018 , 05:30 PM
We're clearly trying to stack someone here. If you check the turn, you gotta slightly overbet shove river, which is kinda hard to call. I'd continue with small sizing across all 3 streets if I sized 1/3 OTF. 85 OTT sets up a nice 150 into 420 which he's kinda forced to call.
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07-26-2018 , 05:30 PM
Stakes? Generally it's a touch large but not horrible. I'd likely go $100 or so depending on the villain.
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07-26-2018 , 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Stakes? Generally it's a touch large but not horrible. I'd likely go $100 or so depending on the villain.


Sorry, it’s 1/2. Updated in orig
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07-26-2018 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
We're clearly trying to stack someone here. If you check the turn, you gotta slightly overbet shove river, which is kinda hard to call. I'd continue with small sizing across all 3 streets if I sized 1/3 OTF. 85 OTT sets up a nice 150 into 420 which he's kinda forced to call.


Thanks. Yes this makes a lot of sense. I was worrying about too big a river bet too hence decided to bet turn, but I can see a smallish turn bet will probably lead him to sigh call with QQ-99 except TT.
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07-26-2018 , 10:13 PM
I wouldn't check the turn. AJ/AQ/QJ are all out there and I wouldn't want to give free cards. I'd maybe go a bigger on this flop just because it's a fairly wet board. I'd probably 1/2 pot the flop to $75, then size the turn based on the card. Against that awesome 7, I'd just go with another 1/2 pot at $150, getting the rest in on the river.
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07-27-2018 , 12:26 AM
You should bet turn but I think you went a little too large. V range is almost face up as QQ-1010. You're not stacking him here either way, but you're way ahead of his value range, but can fold to a raise vs 1010. I'd go 95-100 on the turn, and even smaller on the river.
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07-27-2018 , 12:50 AM
I might size a bit smaller pre-flop and I might bet on the on the flop the same amount I raised pre, or slightly more.

More importantly, read all the replies here. There's a lot of bet, bet, bet, bet. They're the best argument for checking. Almost everyone's goto choice at all points in a hand is to bet. So check, and let the Villain do as someone said and protect against the hypothetical broadway draw you might have.
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07-27-2018 , 01:40 AM
He would have folded to a smaller bet. Every paired board you're either crushing or crushed; don't get hyper unless someone's abt to be coolered The value missed isn't in this hand ( he's folding no matter) the value is the next hand you want to 3bet bc now you have to bluff high and value low instead of bluff low and value high.

Losing reg tip:
start your session with low value bets and increase as you go. Starting with high value bets means more expensive bluffs.
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07-27-2018 , 03:11 AM
Don't give results in the post. It biases responses, even if only subconsciously. Freeze the action at your question, in this case on the turn before your action.

We have SPR 2 and TPTK. Let's figure out how to get all the monies in the middle. Sadly, I haven't found LLSNL Vs, especially at 1/2, to be very accommodating in betting my hand for me. (On the bright side, that means we can often get a free card should we want one.)

If V has shown himself to be aggro, then checking may be the best way to proceed, but there's no indication of that in OP.

IMO 3b pre and checking the flop isn't likely to induce a bet. Nor is 3b pre, bet the flop, check the turn.

I'm definitely in the bet, bet, bet camp (or maybe bet, bet). We want to size our bets to get all in by the river, with the flop bet being the largest bet relative to the pot since calling ranges tend to be wider OTF. I'd probably make it 100 OTF and ship any turn, but I tend to prefer larger bets when I don't have a specific reason to bet small. I think something like 75, 100, 110 might also work, though in that scenario we make less from any draws he might have.

No matter how we play it, we're not going to stack V unless he has something good or makes a serious mistake. The fact that he folded to a turn bet doesn't mean it was a mistake to make the bet.
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